Is the raid scene really that bad?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

10-13 years later and 32khp dragons are more valued than they were all those years ago. If you want to fight tooth and nail for them, Stealin, be my guest. Personally, I think you've put in too much effort for a *game*, but its your free time to do with as you please. Considering how much opposition TMO has in the raid scene, its pretty obvious 95% of the server also feels "the raid scene is that bad". Stealin, by your argument that no one else deserves anything in a 12 year old elf simulator because "we haven't put in the effort," you are articulating quite clearly why this server's raid scene is so bad. Blue99's raid scene is a race to the bottom.

Agreements can be made on this server and players can be reasonable human beings, it just doesn't happen often.

You've put in nothing and want the same as someone who puts in obvious more time.

You work 40 hours, but want the same pay as someone who has done their 40 as well as put in 20 hours of overtime.

I may have put in too much effort for a game, but it's what I wanted to do when I wanted to do it. When I first started I wasn't interested in raiding and I didn't complain about how it was and when I did want to raid, I chose to play with how it was and not complain till it was how I wanted it. I got all I wanted out of raiding and quit when it wasn't interesting anymore.

I can safely say I got all of what I wanted out of P99 and I bet not many can say the same.

My argument is no one who is willing to put in similar effort should be rewarded similarly to someone who is putting in that effort.

This server, so far, is getting what they put in and there is nothing wrong with that. It took great effort to get TMO to where they are and they reap great rewards for doing it, your guild put in little effort and got little reward for it.

You guys keep asking TMO to remove the barrier that they had to climb to get where they are, I don't blame them for not doing it nor wanting to do it.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who exactly is #2 right now? Or #3 or #4 or ... really, who else is serious enough about raiding that they someday might challenge TMO? As a lowbie who hopes to try and join one such a guild someday, I'd like to know whose ass I should start kissing now [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are plenty of guilds that do everything other than a few spawns and VP...this is pretty much how I recall it on live on my server btw. TMO really isn't anything unusual if you have been around the old school EQ raid game at all.

In all honesty, if you want to be a full time raider in an mmo then EQ wasn't for you until luclin. There just isn't a lot of content, and the content that exists doesn't have all that much depth to it (poopsock, bat phone, etc.).

At this point in EQ most of th joy came from other elements of the game.

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've put in nothing and want the same as someone who puts in obvious more time.

You work 40 hours, but want the same pay as someone who has done their 40 as well as put in 20 hours of overtime.

I may have put in too much effort for a game, but it's what I wanted to do when I wanted to do it. When I first started I wasn't interested in raiding and I didn't complain about how it was and when I did want to raid, I chose to play with how it was and not complain till it was how I wanted it. I got all I wanted out of raiding and quit when it wasn't interesting anymore.

I can safely say I got all of what I wanted out of P99 and I bet not many can say the same.

My argument is no one who is willing to put in similar effort should be rewarded similarly to someone who is putting in that effort.

This server, so far, is getting what they put in and there is nothing wrong with that. It took great effort to get TMO to where they are and they reap great rewards for doing it, your guild put in little effort and got little reward for it.

You guys keep asking TMO to remove the barrier that they had to climb to get where they are, I don't blame them for not doing it nor wanting to do it.

Great post. So much bitching from those not willing to put in the work. That's pretty much what this all comes down to. It's sad that somebody like Falkun can insult someone in TMO for 'putting too much time into the game' when we are playing.. EVERQUEST and he in a guild with tons of people who play just as much as some of these TMO members. It truly boggles my mind lol.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are plenty of guilds that do everything other than a few spawns and VP...this is pretty much how I recall it on live on my server btw. TMO really isn't anything unusual if you have been around the old school EQ raid game at all.

Totally; on my original server of Bristlebane our TMO was called Club Fu. However, we also had other guilds nipping at their heels, and (at least during one period of time) the widely regarded #2 guild was called AO (Arch Overseers I think?). Then there was 3rd place one whose name I can't remember, and a few other contenders for 4th (eg. Southern Lights).

I'm just wondering, is there even a clear #2 and/or #3 on P99? If not, which guilds would at least be considered contenders for those spots? Or is there some thread on the elsewhere (eg. on the guild forum) that I should be looking at?

[Ezrick]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I seem jaded, but I can't take any of the posts that say "We can change if the guilds work together!" seriously.

You can't, it won't happen. There are way too many people/guilds wanting to do this content (read get the loot for their paper-doll).

It can't be 'fixed'. We can't introduce Velious two years ago. We can't take back the decade of analysis of EverQuest and the knowledge of every single item and every single quest.

In classic times raid strategies were guarded, yes they leaked out eventually, but it took the intrepid. You went after that boss night after night. You died repeatedly, you learned, and maybe, just maybe you triumphed.

There is no "raiding scene" here. Only a pharming scene. You read how-to's on everything and consider yourselves elite players because you can run fastest to a mob.

Raiding on P99 is PvP. It's not classic. We all remember Gornaire running around DL for weeks. Some of you remember seeing guilds try to kill her. Some fewer of us remember trying it in person (and dying, and dying until we got it right.) She lived 19 minutes Saturday. She fell to the guild that got there first, the one that got the people in the zone and to her the fastest. It's just PvP organizational skills, it has nothing to do with gaming skills.

Raiding is NOT reading a Wiki and killing a mob that's been killed a thousand times before and executing a well-known strategy freely available to all. You are just lewt pharming because you weren't good enough (or old enough, or both) back in the day.


Ezrick Blackpriest
<Black Company>
Tarew Marr 1999-2002

[Yinikren]

^What he said. Competition? There never was competition.

[Galelor]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Totally; on my original server of Bristlebane our TMO was called Club Fu. However, we also had other guilds nipping at their heels, and (at least during one period of time) the widely regarded #2 guild was called AO (Arch Overseers I think?). Then there was 3rd place one whose name I can't remember, and a few other contenders for 4th (eg. Southern Lights).

I'm just wondering, is there even a clear #2 and/or #3 on P99? If not, which guilds would at least be considered contenders for those spots? Or is there some thread on the elsewhere (eg. on the guild forum) that I should be looking at?

If you want to raid but are old enough to remember the stuff you quoted, you might want to consider a server where you don't have to race for spawns via bat phone and/or poopsock for hours on end. You'll be doing yourself a favor. If you just want to group, and not raid, the server population here is high enough that this could be the server for you. EQMac and SoD both have way better raid scenes, but p99 has one of the best grouping scenes due to the large population.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Ezrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't, it won't happen. There are way too many people/guilds wanting to do this content (read get the loot for their paper-doll).

It can't be 'fixed'. We can't introduce Velious two years ago. We can't take back the decade of analysis of EverQuest and the knowledge of every single item and every single quest.

In classic times raid strategies were guarded, yes they leaked out eventually, but it took the intrepid. You went after that boss night after night. You died repeatedly, you learned, and maybe, just maybe you triumphed.

There is no "raiding scene" here. Only a pharming scene. You read how-to's on everything and consider yourselves elite players because you can run fastest to a mob.

Raiding on P99 is PvP. It's not classic. We all remember Gornaire running around DL for weeks. Some of you remember seeing guilds try to kill her. Some fewer of us remember trying it in person (and dying, and dying until we got it right.) She lived 19 minutes Saturday. She fell to the guild that got there first, the one that got the people in the zone and to her the fastest. It's just PvP organizational skills, it has nothing to do with gaming skills.

Raiding is NOT reading a Wiki and killing a mob that's been killed a thousand times before and executing a well-known strategy freely available to all. You are just lewt pharming because you weren't good enough (or old enough, or both) back in the day.


Ezrick Blackpriest
<Black Company>
Tarew Marr 1999-2002

you nailed it

[JurisDictum]

Raiding doesn't suck on p99. Raiding sucks in old EQ (pre-velious). The dragons with 32k hp are not the challenge...its logging on in time. There aren't enough targets either.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raiding doesn't suck on p99. Raiding sucks in old EQ (pre-velious). The dragons with 32k hp are not the challenge...its logging on in time. There aren't enough targets either.

that is why velious was the first real expansion with the idea to provide a end game to the growing population seeking higher and different challanges.

Veeshan peaks wich is the zone make cry alot of people was just a prototype of the incoming raid zones wich u later would find in velious.