Trap Thread

[JurisDictum]

It's not gay unless you are catching. Doing to he pitching is completely hetrosexual. This point is explained quite well by big Bob.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hne5a_jkdyw

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

don't think i did. i think i provided standard definitions for sexuality and acknowledged that heterosexuality and homosexuality are not in any way mutually exclusive and do, in fact, overlap in many instances. essentially i allowed for exactly what you said above when you estimated your own sexuality as 90% hetero.

all i did was extract gender from the discussion. gender is a social construct; it is not a consideration when discussing hetero or homo sexuality. everything you've stated has matched that framework, particularly when you reference attraction to a transgender female as an example of homosexual attraction. HBB would argue that is an example of heterosexuality.

I do a lot of my best thinking in the shower, so I had a long shower and gave your ideas some thought.

In terms of definitions, homosexual and heterosexual are a little difficult. Both terms are used as both adjectives and nouns. Some acts are easy to classify with those adjectives. Others are more difficult. What is it if someone's hot girlfriend straps on a huge dildo and fucks him in the ass? What if a cute tgirl has complete sexual reassignment surgery and then she and I hook up? What if I don't know about the reassignment? What if she gives me head before the surgery and I don't know?

Used as nouns, the terms are even more difficult. By stating that they're non-exclusive, you seem to step right into the gray area you were determined to avoid. I'm a straight male. I'm also a little gay. What does that even mean? I haven't even touched on the ambiguities of biological outliers. What if I have sex with a hermaphrodite, but avoid contact with the penis? What if I used to have sex with a tgirl, but before and since only had female partners? What if I masturbated with my buddy when I was 12? What if he touched my penis? What if I touched his?

Language is a living thing. Meanings change over time. Some concepts are even lost completely. I think both of these terms are going through tremendous changes right now, and I think the changes in public opinion about things like pride parades and gay marriage reflect those societal and linguistic changes.

The American Psychological Association, the California Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the National Association of Social Workers filed this brief supporting the challenges to Proposition 8 in California and discussed the temporal and contextual nature of these issues in great detail. This is not fringe thinking. It is mainstream science.

My personal speculation is that this is all happening because we are finally departing the blindness and ignorance of Victorian Christianity. It's about fucking time.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do a lot of my best thinking in the shower, so I had a long shower and gave your ideas some thought.

In terms of definitions, homosexual and heterosexual are a little difficult. Both terms are used as both adjectives and nouns. Some acts are easy to classify with those adjectives. Others are more difficult. What is it if someone's hot girlfriend straps on a huge dildo and fucks him in the ass? What if a cute tgirl has complete sexual reassignment surgery and then she and I hook up? What if I don't know about the reassignment? What if she gives me head before the surgery and I don't know?

Used as nouns, the terms are even more difficult. By stating that they're non-exclusive, you seem to step right into the gray area you were determined to avoid. I'm a straight male. I'm also a little gay. What does that even mean? I haven't even touched on the ambiguities of biological outliers. What if I have sex with a hermaphrodite, but avoid contact with the penis? What if I used to have sex with a tgirl, but before and since only had female partners? What if I masturbated with my buddy when I was 12? What if he touched my penis? What if I touched his?

Language is a living thing. Meanings change over time. Some concepts are even lost completely. I think both of these terms are going through tremendous changes right now, and I think the changes in public opinion about things like pride parades and gay marriage reflect those societal and linguistic changes.

The American Psychological Association, the California Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the National Association of Social Workers filed this brief supporting the challenges to Proposition 8 in California and discussed the temporal and contextual nature of these issues in great detail. This is not fringe thinking. It is mainstream science.

My personal speculation is that this is all happening because we are finally departing the blindness and ignorance of Victorian Christianity. It's about fucking time.

i'm fine with all of this. i'm not insisting upon binary classification. i'm insisting upon the irrelevance of gender in the application of terms that do not provide for the consideration of gender. your hypotheticals prove that such terms are narrow-minded, or at least non-comprehensive. i don't disagree. we can both eagerly await more accurate terminology to describe the world's myriad sexual appetites. in the mean time, the definitions of homosexual and heterosexual are not malleable to the whims of RnF posters and the ambiguities invited by such terms are not easily reconciled

[Alawen]

Neither of your rants include any facts or reasoning. Your first post can be summarized as, "Just because we're partly wrong doesn't mean we're completely wrong!" LGBT issues are a constant topic on RnF? What?

You start your second rant with absurd hyperbole in an apparent attempt to stereotype and dismiss anyone who disagrees with you. You go on to replace my discrete terms masculinity and femininity with the term sexuality in order to set up a straw man to knock down with your unnecessary demonstration that you know what normal distribution means. You continue to equate small numbers with zero.

You're right about one thing, though: your posts are devoid of science.

[Ryba]

You made a specific claim: that masculinity and femininity follow a normal distribution. Show me the science behind this, Mr. Science, or come off your high horse.

And if you would like to replace my term "sexuality" with your preferred terms "masculinity/femininity," go for it. You will find the meaning of my post unchanged.

Ubiquitous ambiguity is as much of an oversimplification as non-overlapping masculine/feminine categories. The world is complicated and there's room for lots of opinions, but this thread is full of career underdogs. I expect most people here have very similar and "liberal" views on this topic, but are unable to pass up the opportunity for a joke or to posture as open-minded intellectuals.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Ryba [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You made a specific claim: that masculinity and femininity follow a normal distribution. Show me the science behind this, Mr. Science, or come off your high horse.

And if you would like to replace my term "sexuality" with your preferred terms "masculinity/femininity," go for it. You will find the meaning of my post unchanged.

Ubiquitous ambiguity is as much of an oversimplification as non-overlapping masculine/feminine categories. The world is complicated and there's room for lots of opinions, but this thread is full of career underdogs. I expect most people here have very similar and "liberal" views on this topic, but are unable to pass up the opportunity for a joke or to posture as open-minded intellectuals.

The earliest study I know of, by Alfred Kinsey, Wardell Pomeroy, and Clyde Martin, dates from the late 1940s. "Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats. It is a fundamental of taxonomy that nature rarely deals with discrete categories ... The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects." The fact that you are not aware of this well-known and fundamental literature indicates that you speak from a position of near complete ignorance on sexuality. As I stated earlier, logical arguments cannot be valid and sound without true premises.

This will be the only time I indulge your demand for citation. Educate yourself; it's not my job.

[Alawen]

I need time to think about this. More later.

[Alawen]

It's nice to see that the entitled little bitch routine hasn't changed. Enjoy your experience grind and shit-talking about how badass you're going to be some day in a game that doesn't exist. Gotta go now, dear, glad to know you're still thinking of me.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Abacab-Revival [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're still mad about Big Abacab training lavacrawlers on you 3 years ago, let it go bro no one even camps FG's anymore.

Sounds vaguely familiar. What I vividly recall is you training EC tunnel until you got yourself banned and then whining and crying and begging to get your character back for months and months on end. One of my buddies was dumb enough to give you his info and you got his character banned, too.

I also remember pictures of a scrawny rat boy and some unlistenable music.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Abacab-Revival [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who haven't I gotten banned?

Your balls probably dropped off during that year-long crying fit, leaving you without testosterone.