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[Stepy]

I don't see where they were looking for any excuse to take the camp it was quite to the contrary they were sending tell to find out what was going on with the chanter. It's not like they bum rushed the camp and took it over they gave a first and second chance and still the chanter failed and zoned.
If the camp was broken they why the need for the chanter to rebreak a full spawn well that answer seems simple. The chanter was going to reward the groups courtesy with waiting for full respawn before leaving but changed mind when the king spawned.

[soup]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with most of this, a deal should never have been made. If the group walked up, didn't say anything, and took the camp the first time the enchanter zoned, nothing would be wrong. If the enchanter did come make a post, he would, as someone else said, get laughed at.

Though, I don't think they made an agreement and then looked for "any way they could to take it from him." From what I gather from logs, they said he could have the next spawn. Then, the group notices that hes not even in the zone anymore. They discuss just killing the king, but someone even says, whatever lets clear the adds he can take the king. They see him zone AGAIN, and go well fucking-a, just kill the damn thing. They kill the thing, the enchanter comes and bitches, and they say ok well lets roll for it. The enchanter LOSES the roll, and comes to QQ on the forum instead of attempting to reach an officer of the guild in question.

What also fucked it too was that when they made the deal, I'm pretty sure NO ONE, on either side, expected the next spawn to actually be the king with the damn 2hander. "Ehh, might as well agree to it, since it's not like the next one will be the king with the sword anyway, and this way we look like good, reasonable people." ..... "OH SHIT IT IS THE KING WITH THE SWORD, shit just got real!"

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What also fucked it too was that when they made the deal, I'm pretty sure NO ONE, on either side, expected the next spawn to actually be the king with the damn 2hander. "Ehh, might as well agree to it, since it's not like the next one will be the king with the sword anyway, and this way we look like good, reasonable people." ..... "OH SHIT IT IS THE KING WITH THE SWORD, shit just got real!"

LOL, yep... worst possible thing that could have happened. The Random Number Generator can be a hateful bitch sometimes. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[President]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What also fucked it too was that when they made the deal, I'm pretty sure NO ONE, on either side, expected the next spawn to actually be the king with the damn 2hander. "Ehh, might as well agree to it, since it's not like the next one will be the king with the sword anyway, and this way we look like good, reasonable people." ..... "OH SHIT IT IS THE KING WITH THE SWORD, shit just got real!"

I know, and that's where I find the situation kind of fucked. If I was in the enchanters shoes in that situation, I probably would have asked if anyone in the group needed the item. If they did, I would have just handed it over, though I care much less about gear/plat than most people on this server. If no one needed it, I would have offered to roll against the group on the enchanter.

I understand he is trying to make $.. but it's not like he spent an hour there clearing it before the group showed up after CR.

[Stepy]

Still the fact is they allowed two failed attempts by Enc. and they took the spawn, and then gave her a crack at the lotto.

[soup]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know, and that's where I find the situation kind of fucked. If I was in the enchanters shoes in that situation, I probably would have asked if anyone in the group needed the item. If they did, I would have just handed it over, though I care much less about gear/plat than most people on this server. If no one needed it, I would have offered to roll against the group on the enchanter.

I understand he is trying to make $.. but it's not like he spent an hour there clearing it before the group showed up after CR.

I like to think I would do the same, but honestly it's hard to say. Guess it really depends on how they were acting.

If they wait patiently of to the side, exp'ing as they said their main goal was, and I killed the king and got the sword and saw that the 2H user in the group is using a a silvery war axe or whatever low end crap someone might have at that point, I like to think I'd give it to them. On the flip side, if they're raging at me, I'll do the opposite and try to flame my way into possession of the sword or call them out as being douche bags.

Hell at this point I wish I could solo camp king to try and get one for Autumn since they actually gave it to Shewz after this spectacle. That's pretty cool, assuming they did it on their own accord and not under some kind of guild pressure or whatever.

[soup]

^ I mean, it's still cool if it was because of guild pressure, but if it was completely by Autumn's own accord, that's some really cool, stand-up stuff there.

[President]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like to think I would do the same, but honestly it's hard to say. Guess it really depends on how they were acting.

If they wait patiently of to the side, exp'ing as they said their main goal was, and I killed the king and got the sword and saw that the 2H user in the group is using a a silvery war axe or whatever low end crap someone might have at that point, I like to think I'd give it to them. On the flip side, if they're raging at me, I'll do the opposite and try to flame my way into possession of the sword or call them out as being douche bags.

Hell at this point I wish I could solo camp king to try and get one for Autumn since they actually gave it to Shewz after this spectacle. That's pretty cool, assuming they did it on their own accord and not under some kind of guild pressure or whatever.

True, I guess if I was in the enchanters shoes it would never have gotten to that point I would have just given the camp back... Though your right if they were total dicks It may have changed my mind, though it appears Slappie was the only one really acting irrational.

It doesn't appear Autum was under any guild pressure, but gave the item back after the post was made.

If I had any time to play Id go down there to help her get one... but that unfortunately doesn't exist!

[President]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't appear Autum was under any guild pressure, but gave the item back after the post was made.

That is, to my knowledge, I don't know what went on in guild chat during the ordeal, but Divinity forums did not suggest we pressured her to give it back.

[Daldolma]

LOL, you guys have got to be kidding me. You see one group member acknowledge that an enchanter needs to zone to solo the camp, you see them make the agreement (that the enchanter can have the next cycle in return for the camp), you see the enchanter tell one of their group members that he's still in the process of breaking the cycle which they agreed to let him have, and you then see the urgent call from group members to immediately rush the named mob specifically at the very instant that the enchanter zones out for the second time (because the first time, the group was too confused as to what was occurring to jump on the king in a timely manner). When the agreement is first made to let him have the next pop, everyone but Slappie agrees, basically ignoring the possibility that the named pops with the desired item. Only when the named pops with the desired item does the Divinity group decide that the agreement no longer matters.

Basically, those screenshots prove every assumption I had made earlier, when observing that it was of extremely poor character, though not against any server rules, for the group in question to have done what they did. At that point, the response was that there's no way to know if that's truly what happened. Now that we do know that that is exactly what happened, and that the group did in fact know that the enchanter was going to need to be hopping in and out of the zone to handle his cycle (which, again, they agreed to let him have), the goal posts have moved again, and now it's all about the server rules.

Shit, you even have two of the group members -- one explicitly, and one tacitly (by handing over the sword) -- admitting their own fault. Ironically, it seems to be the two group members with the most to gain, as Nocte is an app, and Autum could have used the sword. I applaud Nocte for her morality, and I hope that a) her status in Divinity is not in any way harmed by this, and b) the enchanter does what he can to hook her up, one way or another. IMO, as I've stated earlier on this thread, I have nothing but the respect for Divinity, and I think she's proven herself more than worthy of the guild tag just based on how she handled this situation. It doesn't take much to blindly wave the pompoms for your guild. IMO, it's a lot more impressive to call your own side out when they're doing something wrong. Hopefully she's not punished for that.

If you can't see that what the group did was wrong, you're not looking -- plain and simple. Again, this isn't about the server rules. The amateur lawyers can keep it in their pants for this thread. This is about behavior and ethics. The enchanter did nothing wrong, deceived nobody, and was generally friendly and helpful. The group did do something wrong -- they demanded a camp that wasn't theirs. They did deceive someone. They told the enchanter he could have the next spawn cycle -- knowing that he would have to zone out in order to take it (as evidenced by group chat) -- and then jumped on the mob when it happened to be a named, knowing that he was in the process of breaking the camp, rather than fleeing the camp out of desperation. And, with the exception of Nocte (and later Autum), they were not helpful or friendly. Dravyen seemed helpful and friendly, only to betray the agreement he had made by urging his group to rush the named immediately after the enchanter zoned.

This is not a matter of grey area, or of one act of douchebaggery being met with another. The enchanter did absolutely nothing that constitutes "douchebaggery". The worst thing he did was not call a CC for an often un-camped mob that was currently un-camped, and fully popped. Not exactly a crime against humanity.