My America - Page 17

astarothel · #**161** 06-28-2010, 01:11 AM

1.2 billion dollars, and they still weren't able to keep the black bloc under control. Pretty big embarrassment if you ask me. They even knew what to expect from those groups with their year long 'infiltration', but still couldn't have spent one day to investigate into how police groups in continental Europe have successfully dealt with bb management and suppression.

Taxi · #**162** 06-28-2010, 01:47 AM

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1.2 billion dollars, and they still weren't able to keep the black bloc under control. Pretty big embarrassment if you ask me.

Ive been to protests since 1998. Heres how the routine goes:

--- THE PLAN ---

Cops use people who break property as an excuse to beat up, arrest, harass everyone else. Corporate media takes pictures of said broken stuff and makes sensational headlines about why protesters are bad.

--- END OF PLAN ---

When you start from there, its not a failure or embarassement, its the plan. They need part of the people at demos to break stuff, so their repression is justified.

And when theres no people that break stuff, well, you just have to dress cops as protesters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow

Theres a history of agent provocateurs in Canada and the US, i never take it for granted that these black bloc protesters are actually protesters.

astarothel · #**163** 06-28-2010, 02:09 AM

nah, there was no great master plan on the part of the city or the police.

Given that I have seen some of the bb memorandums, notes, and the like passed around university campuses starting near the end of last semester for g20 (U of G for the record, one of the four supposed 'ringleaders' [double lol] originates from there) and even heard about them less than subtly from several sympathetic university protest groups, I am fairly certain there was no setup. They simply adopted a highly disruptive and effective plan (black bloc) to do it.

Taxi · #**164** 06-28-2010, 02:16 AM

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nah, there was no great master plan on the part of the city or the police.

Given that I have seen some of the bb memorandums, notes, and the like passed around university campuses starting near the end of last semester for g20 (U of G for the record, one of the four supposed 'ringleaders' [double lol] originates from there) and even heard about them less than subtly from several sympathetic university protest groups, I am fairly certain there was no setup. They simply adopted a highly disruptive and effective plan (black bloc) to do it.

Im not saying no protesters ever break stuff, im saying its presented as an excuse as to why police have to act the way they do.

Im not talking about some big top secret documents ive looked at, ive attended more than 100 protests over the course of 12 years. Its an observation. It always works the same.

A few people break stuff, cops beat up everyone and break up the protest, and images are run at 6pm in the news to justify the police state.

Heres a good article on what happened in Toronto this weekend:

http://toronto.mediacoop.ca/story/er...k-descent/3886

It comes back to what i was saying earlier, the US has been at the forefront of the support for fascist-like regimes in the world for 60 years, and now the chickens are coming home to roost. The western world better wake the fuck up or its byebye constitution/canadian charter of rights and freedoms and their similar counterparts.

If people arent profoundly disturbed by videos such as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7OA9...ayer_embedded#! they deserve whats coming next.

Alawen Everywhere · #**165** 06-28-2010, 10:19 AM

So our latest crime is that we didn't set a good example for our dim-witted little brother?

Thanks for making sure everyone realizes that your brain doesn't work very well.

astarothel · #**166** 06-28-2010, 10:45 AM

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So our latest crime is that we didn't set a good example for our dim-witted little brother?

In correlation to a previous post you could say America didn't set a good example for the rest of the world at large.

Likening Canada to being America's dim-witted little brother isn't going to help you win any arguments. That's the pot calling the kettle black, when America exhibits massive signs of derp too. It's Three Stooges at best, and America just likes to think it's Moe all the time.

Toony · #**167** 06-28-2010, 10:46 AM

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I'm afraid of Americans.

Perhaps you should be just as afraid of canadians

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Akame · #**168** 06-28-2010, 11:06 AM

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Perhaps you should be just as afraid of canadians

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Taxi · #**169** 06-28-2010, 12:43 PM

Journalist Amy Goodman spent the weekend in Toronto. Seems like this is to be the new model for large protests. (Shadow laws passed at 5 to midnite that gives temporary powers to police to arrest people for any reason. Soon temporary will become permanent if people dont wake up)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

http://www.democracynow.org/

Alawen Everywhere · #**170** 06-28-2010, 01:19 PM

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In correlation to a previous post you could say America didn't set a good example for the rest of the world at large.

Likening Canada to being America's dim-witted little brother isn't going to help you win any arguments. That's the pot calling the kettle black, when America exhibits massive signs of derp too. It's Three Stooges at best, and America just likes to think it's Moe all the time.

Perhaps it was lost that I am not the one blaming America for Canada's troubles. I think Canada is a big boy and responsible for its own problems. I think it has been pointed out several times that America has plenty of troubles of our own.