2020 Election MEGAthread

[Jibartik]

If you are telling me that during a global pandemic, people dont look to the leader of their country for leadership, but instead to make sarcastic jokes about what drugs work and what drugs dont, then I'm just going to tell you that we'll never come to a consensus on anything [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

edit: lol you know, I was just thinking, I was one of those people! I remember watching that live hoping for some new updates and shouted "WHAT?"?!?!" lol That was during my "ok I'm starting to hate this guy" phase of the last 4 years, I mean I didn't like him but that day I remember thinking ok this guy is being ridiculously cavalier about this.

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are telling me, that during a global pandemic, people dont look to the leader of their country for leadership and that instead they look up to him during these times to make sarcastic jokes about what drugs work and what drugs dont, then I am just going to tell you that we'll never come to a consensus on anything [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are telling me, that having watched and listened to him for four decades, people thought they were electing F.D.R. who would give them some fireside handjobs instead of some wise-cracking real-estate and media mogul trying to build a casino in the White House with someone else's money, then I am just going to tell you that we'll never come to a consensus on anything [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hahaha just kidding. People look to local authorities during times of pandemic, or any internal threat. People look to national authorities in time of war, or when external forces threaten security. It's innate in humans. That's why when you get hurt you go crying for mommy and when someone wants to kick your ass you go get your dad.

[Jibartik]

No i was expecting him not to tell me a lie about a solution to a global pandemic when we were at a total chaos phase of this whole thing I'm done trying to defend this totally rational stance. And the debate wasn't what your saying it was, it was that he didn't say it at all. You guys can have it your way.

[BlackBellamy]

People hate on Trump because they have a lot of daddy issues.

A lot.

It's that breakdown in the nuclear family with white single-parent households at like 25%, mixed-race at 40%, and black ones at 77% there's no strong orange men around. Everyone was raised by single moms; I know because all of a sudden all the playgrounds are covered in rubber and there's no way to get that nice scar any more as a 7-year old. So they see the President and they don't know what a strong orange man is supposed to act like because they never saw one. So they think he's supposed to act like their mom!

Be protective. Soothe their fears. Tell them everything is going to be alright. Here's the only truth you need; I love you and I will protect you.

I want a President like my dad. He's going to take me shooting next weekend when it's his turn to badmouth that bitch that's taking all his fucking money, no offense to me. Unless he's busy with business of course. A man has to eat.

[douglas1999]

Peace deal #4 attained but let's keep talking about anything else. Er no, let's find a way to pretend it's no big deal. We cannot give a single inch of credit to trump for anything. Must..... find.. way.... to... oppose... orangeman

Like seriously you give presidents credit for things they do right and criticize what they do wrong. Criticizing his pandemic response is textbook monday morning quarterbacking though, and there's also no counterfactual scenario to compare it to; trump was president when it began. There's no way to run some kind of simulation where somebody else was president and see how they'd do better or worse. And at the debate, biden couldn't even articulate what his "plan" is for dealing with it. He basically just detailed things trump has already been doing, and then he said "I will have a plan!", which sort of sounds like "I don't currently have one, but I WILL, trust me! Years 48-52 of my existence in politics is when I'll really start gettin stuff done jack!". Just the most pandering generic politician horseshit ever.

[Patriam1066]

Yeah we all know what a big military threat Sudan was to Israel ....

I wonder what concessions we granted? Darfur? Only time will tell

[douglas1999]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah we all know what a big military threat Sudan was to Israel ....

I wonder what concessions we granted? Darfur? Only time will tell

Haha! There he is! The guy who simply had to find a way to downplay it, I literally predicted it. If obama had done it, boy oh boy you'd have a list of reasons why it's totallllly awesome! Being an expert and everything in middle eastern relations.

The point is there has been massive unrest in the middle east for the last 60 years you doofus, mitigating it in any way is a tremendously good thing. Dear lord.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haha! There he is! The guy who simply had to find a way to downplay it, I literally predicted it. If obama had done it, boy oh boy you'd have a list of reasons why it's totallllly awesome! Being an expert and everything in middle eastern relations.

The point is there has been massive unrest in the middle east for the last 60 years you doofus, mitigating it in any way is a tremendously good thing. Dear lord.

I voted for McCain in 2008 and Trump in 2016. Hated Obama, because he didn’t hold anyone accountable after the financial crisis and he was elected overwhelmingly based on that event

Peace with Sudan is utterly inconsequential. The UAE and eventual peace with Saudi Arabia both matter, but if you haven’t noticed turkey is the one currently causing Middle East instability. They need to be removed from NATO, these moves trump and Pompeo are making help Israel but do very little to stop violence in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, four countries that we broke by our intervention

[douglas1999]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I voted for McCain in 2008 and Trump in 2016. Hated Obama, because he didn’t hold anyone accountable after the financial crisis and he was elected overwhelmingly based on that event

Peace with Sudan is utterly inconsequential. The UAE and eventual peace with Saudi Arabia both matter, but if you haven’t noticed turkey is the one currently causing Middle East instability. They need to be removed from NATO, these moves trump and Pompeo are making help Israel but do very little to stop violence in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, four countries that we broke by our intervention

Well since we can't do everything, let's do nothing I guess? I mean I hear you, but you make progress a step at a time. And those countries were not broken by our intervention. It's not as if everything is roses in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya had we never gone there.

And I understand turkey is currently a problem, but it's a flash in the pan. If you could somehow square away turkey's aggressions, there would still be a billion other problems to solve.

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you could somehow square away turkey's aggressions, there would still be a billion other problems to solve.

I believe everything that Turkey does goes through the White House.

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We had all kinds of difficulties when Obama was publicly insulting the elected leader of Turkey, but after him and Trump had a couple of conversations all of a sudden no one was talking about Turkey and Turkey got a lot more adventurous and no condemnation or really any comment from over here.

There is always the quid pro quo. That's the basis for relations between nation-states; even the friendliest are always reminding each other how much they have done for one another.

So Trump told Erdoğan he could do whatever he wanted in exchange for what? Inquiring minds want to know. Where's the quo, man? Turkish drones are being shot down over Armenia and the US is like [makes too doo loo too doo loo noise meant to invoke looking away]. Obama would have been all over that!

Trying to figure it out. Turkey is doing something for us. What do we want in Libya? Are we fucking Egypt? Or the Russians? I really hope Trump is re-elected because this game must go on.