Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You still haven't answered why you think the numbers change.

You still haven't provided any relevant/requested data of your Shaman DPSing in a high level fast-paced killing DPS group.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please do not straw man me with saying "more members = more DPS". Nobody is suggesting otherwise.

Nobody is requesting solo root rot information, yet that is all you seem willing (or able) to provide. Please do not straw man us with irrelevant data.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You need to explain why 100 DPS solo differs from 100 DPS in a group.

The problem is you have provided zero evidence of your Shaman DPSing in a group, you need to provide requested/relevant data/evidence.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You need to explain why spending 275 mana solo differs from spending 275 mana in a group.

What you seem to misunderstand (or perhaps you are [intentionally or otherwise] misconstruing your true understanding?) is that nobody is stating "275 mana solo differs from 275 mana in a group". Why does someone need to explain this to you, precisely? Please do not straw man us with irrelevant data.

[Gloomlord]

Are you serious right now?

Haven't we explained to you how shaman dots don't mean anything in a fast-killing exp group? The mob dies too quickly

Haven't we explained to you how the mage's pet will still contribute meaningful damage in a fast-killing exp group? They don't need mana to function after summoning them.

Haven't we explained to you the stupidity that is root rotting greens in a 4-6 man group that contains charms?

How many times do we have to say this?!?!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you serious right now?

Haven't we explained to you how shaman dots don't mean anything in a fast-killing exp group? The mob dies too quickly

Haven't we explained to you how the mage's pet will still contribute meaningful damage in a fast-killing exp group? They don't need mana to function after summoning them.

Haven't we explained to you the stupidity that is root rotting greens in a 4-6 man group that contains charms?

How many times do we have to say this?!?!

This is why I say people don't read. You really don't even know what I have been talking about by asking these questions.

For your DoTs question, that only applies to chain pulling mobs that die in 30 seconds or so. Shamans can use their DoTs on any mobs that die in a minute or slower.

For your "Mages Pet" DPS point, Shamans can also contribute meaningful damage in a fast-killing exp group. You can check out the numbers I have posted many times, I posted videos too.

Your opinion on how groups should work is irrelevant. You cannot claim your group cares about DPS, but will not let their members DPS. If a group is killing mobs in 30 seconds, the Shaman can root/rot without any risk to the group. You simply do not like this point because you want Mages to look better.

[Gloomlord]

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[Gloomlord]

How can you guys tolerate this creature? I'm literally facepalming at the pure insanity of this man.

I've already answered those questions before, as has everyone else.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How can you guys tolerate this creature? I'm literally facepalming at the pure insanity of this man.

I've already answered those questions before, as has everyone else.

The problem here is your hubris in assuming your "answers" are correct. You don't back up your points with data. You simply yell at me and hope that somehow convinces me you are correct.

The root/rot opinion is a perfect example. You are somehow absolutely sure that nobody can play the game in any other way than the way you prefer. It's just silly frankly. But I guess you need to keep piling on the constraints to make Mages look good.

[PlsNoBan]

Oh boy we're back to root rotting adds [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh boy we're back to root rotting adds [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That’s always what I want in shamans I group with. Root rot adds parallel to the actual mobs the rest of the group is fighting. Quintuple the risk for no actual gains. All so the shaman can still do less dps (actual vs functional) than a half decent mage.

And when it hits the fan the enchanters will love love LOVE not being able to mez something that has shaman epic clicks on it.

Shamans are not a group dps class.

Still waiting on DSM to join a fast group and show us what he can do.

[Gloomlord]

Guys: have you ever had a group where a shaman asked to root rot adds on the side of whatever else the group was doing?

No? Then I rest my case.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guys: have you ever had a group where a shaman asked to root rot adds on the side of whatever else the group was doing?

No? Then I rest my case.

The reason why people don't do this is because most groups can hit the optimal DPS threshold for what they are fighting easily. It is not because people dislike root/rotting.

The reality is it is very easy to hit the optimal DPS threshold on P99 because most people are experienced players with gear that is above a mob's tuned average.

This is why bringing a Mage for only 7-30 DPS is generally silly. You will often times lose 7-30 DPS just by not gear checking players when making a public group.