Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PlsNoBan]

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Please let me know when I get my ratio back. I know you can't go very long without doing math.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please let me know when I get my ratio back. I know you can't go very long without doing math.

It isn't hurting me. You simply continue to make yourself look bad by insulting everybody who disagrees with you. That isn't how you win an argument.

[Gloomlord]

Insults aren't helping our case?

Respectful decorum isn't helping our case either, considering how much of a pathological liar you are.

I can see DSM's mindset: whenever we point out a hole in one of his arguments, he then points how his argument *IS* sound, because we weren't paying attention to all variables. However, his counter arguments completely ignore how niche and unlikely they are, like root rotting and Ixiblat. We point this out to him, but then he suggests "data" is on his side, even though that "data" is completely skewed and, once again, niche and unlikely.

It's a revolving circle of insanity, until we all get fed up with him and leave. Then, after it's all done, he will self-deceive himself into thinking he has "won".

Autistic? I'm not sure. Solipsistic, psychotic man-child? You bet!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Insults aren't helping our case?

Respectful decorum isn't helping our case either, considering how much of a pathological liar you are.

I can see DSM's mindset: whenever we point out a hole in one of his arguments, he then points how his argument *IS* sound, because we weren't paying attention to all variables. However, his counter arguments completely ignore how niche and unlikely they are, like root rotting and Ixiblat. We point this out to him, but then he suggests "data" is on his side, even though that "data" is completely skewed and, once again, niche and unlikely.

It's a revolving circle of insanity, until we all get fed up with him and leave. Then, after it's all done, he will self-deceive himself into thinking he has "won".

Autistic? I'm not sure. Solipsistic, psychotic man-child? You bet!

The only people engaging in a niche argument are you guys. You are forcing the argument to be "groups are only chain pulling mobs that die in 30 seconds, and they also don't want Shamans to root/rot", because the DPS gap between Shamans and Mages is a bit higher in that specific situation. In any situation where you are just chain pulling trash, you can root/rot lol. Nobody cares if you don't prefer that method. If you want more DPS out of your group, you would do that.

Level 60 characters aren't just chain pulling trash mobs in Sebilis, as many people other than myself have pointed out.

When doing single target, harder mobs, the gap between Shaman DPS and Mage DPS shrinks to about 10 DPS if the mob is slowed. But you never want to talk about that, because it gets out of your niche argument that level 60 groups are only chain pulling trash in Sebilis.

The insults don't help your case at all (they make you look bad), and the post history is clear.

[Karanis]

3 friends are going hiking, each of them bring something they'll need.

1 friend brings shoes for the 3 of them
1 friend brings walking sticks for the 3 of them
1 friend brings food and water for the 3 of them

2 more friends ask to potentially join them but they can only bring 1.

Option 1 can bring his own shoes, stick, food, and water, but also GPS, a map, playing cards, and a tent

Option 2 can bring his own shoes, stick, food, and water, but also a snack that the original 3 are allergic to, and a harmonica that he doesn't know how to play.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The post history is clear and it says I am dumb

[Gloomlord]

To say that shamans could be root rotting on the side of a chain pulling xp group is like saying that a wizard and a bard in the same six man group could be quadding down some greens or low blues on the side of the real juicy targets the other 4 are doing.

It is, as Karanis said, completely retarded. Nobody sane would do such a thing.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To say that shamans could be root rotting on the side of a chain pulling xp group is like saying that a wizard and a bard in the same six man group could be quadding down some greens or low blues on the side of the real juicy targets the other 4 are doing.

It is, as Karanis said, completely retarded. Nobody sane would do such a thing.

Again, your preference is irrelevant. If you care about DPS, you would increase it however you can. A Shaman can Root/Rot trash.

When you aren't fighting trash (targets that take longer than 30 seconds to kill), the DPS gap between Shamans and Mages shrinks to 10 DPS.

The reality is you get diminishing returns as you increase DPS, as I showed before.

If your group has 100 DPS and a mob has 8000 HP, the mob takes 80 seconds to kill.

If your group has 200 DPS and a mob has 8000 HP, the mob takes 40 seconds to kill. (Shaman/Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric)

If your group has 230 DPS and a mob has 8000 HP, the mob takes 35 seconds to kill. (Mage/Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric)

A 5 second increase in kill speed means very little in reality, because you are typically restricted on how many kills you get per hour by respawn timers.

A Shaman's broader toolkit is going to be much more helpful in more situations than saving 5 seconds on a kill.

[Gloomlord]

It must be so nice for you, DSM. Being able to pick and choose parts of reality, and then deny all the rest.

It enables you to endure yourself, does it not?

Do you not realise that this 5 fewer seconds is going to add up of the course of an hour or more? And if we take human limitations of stamina into consideration, then mage is completely beating shaman here.

Do you not understand, you imbecile, that root rotting some trash on the side is just you pathetically trying in vain to justify the spot for shaman?

A wizard and a bard, as I have pointed out, could be doing AoE kiting on the side in Seb. You think the other 4 members of this group and going to appreciate this, even if they could "function normally" regardless?

[Karanis]

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3 friends are going hiking, each of them bring something they'll need.

1 friend brings shoes for the 3 of them
1 friend brings walking sticks for the 3 of them
1 friend brings food and water for the 3 of them

2 more friends ask to potentially join them but they can only bring 1.

Option 1 can bring his own shoes, stick, food, and water, but also GPS, a map, playing cards, and a tent

Option 2 can bring his own shoes, stick, food, and water, but also a snack that the original 3 are allergic to, and a harmonica that he doesn't know how to play.