2020 Election MEGAthread

[Jibartik]

This will really piss some of you off hehe https://youtu.be/eK_l_eVGByk

[FatherSioux]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It seems that there is a faction of "American exceptionalists" ITT, that think that people like me, hate America and are hindering its exceptionality. And the only thing stopping us from destroying this country, isn't our branches of goverment, it's us spreading our "ideas"....

And you wonder why Trump supporters get called nazis? lol

You don’t seem to be apart of the problem directly. But you do have some stake it supporting the ideas those of us who want America to continue claim are eroding America. Your example of Trump supporters being nazis is a good point to bring up. Deteriorating vocabulary so that 50% of America thinks the other 50 are nazis? That’s a bogus tactic and a low level attack.

Racism now means you have to actively fight against racism in prescribed actions, otherwise you’re racist. Court packing now means appointing judges in the same way all other presidents have? This is all very damaging and is absolutely a tactic of oppressive and controlling governments.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don’t seem to be apart of the problem directly. But you do have some stake it supporting the ideas those of us who want America to continue claim are eroding America. Your example of Trump supporters being nazis is a good point to bring up. Deteriorating vocabulary so that 50% of America thinks the other 50 are nazis? That’s a bogus tactic and a low level attack.

I agree, but I dont actively support people that also engage in that. If you'll notice Ive made no claims as to who is better than trump, I am just calling him out for the same things I call out those idiots on CNN and Racheal Maddow and the View for.

I think that trump supporters give him a pass but then call out the left for it. That's what irks me. I go back to my spade a spade stance. Trump did not handle the pandemic well, I dont think you have to say he did to still support him either. He's also radical, and I think that's objective.

[kjs86z]

Everything is racist if you're a lefty loon.

Are facts racist? You tell me.

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[Jibartik]

Can we avoid this topic full stop please, we do not need to turn every discussion about trump into "_____ race does better than ______ race." ...while you sit there and not see that you're just proving the liberals right.

[FatherSioux]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trump did not handle the pandemic well, I dont think you have to say he did to still support him either. He's also radical, and I think that's objective.

How you claim to be objective and judge him from an unbias position doesn't balance. I'm not claiming he did everything perfect but you need to keep this in mind. We're still in this pandemic right? How anyone can pretend to have done better is beyond me. This is like a coach being judged by his first half, or first quarter, or first 5 minutes. We likely won't know for year how each country and more importantly which approaches to this pandemic were effective. The data changes because we're still playing the game.

The objective and reasonable stance to take on Covid is that this is unprecedented and I wouldn't want to be in a position of power during this time. But to pretend that there is some magic solution that Trump ignored is just false. Globally we are learning how to handle something like this in the modern world.

[Jibartik]

You're telling me you think he's doing a great job rn? Economy is strong as ever, unemployment is just on lock, as soon as we lift the social distancing restrictions everything will just fire on all cylinders? Nobody who has any problems with their situation with the economy right now has anyone to blame but themselves?

The reason I ask you this is because that's been trumps solution to the pandemic, he has fought against every single thing that could be done about it, because he thinks that it's all bullshit. And here I am surrounded by people struggling and everyone upset and no end in sight and no one even knows if masks work, and you think that's handling it well?

You want me to list the 500 things he's done and said over the last year? That's so unfair. This is my entire argument, there are like countless examples of him being a huge idiot about this whole thing, and you cant even admit it and that's my whole argument.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But to pretend that there is some magic solution that Trump ignored is just false.

Completely ignores pandemic response https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...olitico-2020-3

“when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.” ...nobody believed this but him. But he said it in defiance of early lockdown restrictions.

Trump says it will just disappear, people demand to remove pandemic response restrictions, infection rates in states where they did rises: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/28/polit...ets/index.html

Trump creates a theory that there will be more suicides than covid deaths this is again something he made up. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...ss-briefing-9/

Canceling stimulus talks to use it as a tool for the election.

Canceling stimulus talks to push supreme court nomination through.

I mean I could go on and on here, there are countless mistakes this man has made that increased our infection rates and made lock downs longer and more uncertain and created a more turbulent economy.

If you cant call a spade a spade here, then you're following a prophet, not a politician.

[Castle2.0]

There is a well-established correlation to GDP and suicide. Google it.

Also, Pelosi refuses stimulus without all the extra BS they want. They won't do a pared down version. Trump negotiates to get stimulus done, Nancy negotiates to get her lefty loony wishlist. Hope you have the objectivity to see the difference.

[FatherSioux]

Again, I’m not saying it’s been perfect and without issues. Trump saying dumb shit isn’t news anymore. Show me things he could have done. Show me the magic fix we’re not doing. Waiving your arms around like a child whenever he says something that you can disagree with isn’t productive.

Him NOT using this to expand the executive branch’s power. Him shutting down travel early. Him not nationalizing the response effort is good. His ability to aid and supplement the states with PPE and ventilators were all great. Him sending navy boats and aiding the construction of temporary hospitals was good.

Him getting into spats with Fauci isn’t a good look. Him not wearing a mask more than he did early was bad. Him speaking on things he doesn’t understand isn’t good(UV Light). But none of that in my view has had any real impact on actual deaths.

You simply cannot place the delay of the stimulus on him. That has been Pelosi and the Democrats through and through. Which is typical of them, tell us they are for the working man and then delay aid because the deal isn’t exactly what Pelosi wanted.


Another thing, you can’t pretend the relentless accusations about him, the fraudulent investigations aren’t to blame in part for how he acts toward the media and the left.