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Old 11-12-2012, 08:05 PM
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And then when he died he would have reset?

You took EQ rule lawyering in school? I never saw that course offering.
How do you put that on your resume'?
There is no course, the only assumption is that you learned to understand arguments and hold rational discussions. You seem to have missed this part of early to mid adolescence and remained at the stage where you cry when mommy doesnt buy you candy.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:05 PM
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:10 PM
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There is no course, the only assumption is that you learned to understand arguments and hold rational discussions. You seem to have missed this part of early to mid adolescence and remained at the stage where you cry when mommy doesnt buy you candy.
Haha..... this whole thread is FE crying.... not the other way around. Get out of the bubble you live in. Its hard to get real facts when the only data you analyze is the data you create. Ask Fox News about this.
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It's pretty clear he's become one of the people he described as No-life Nerds and Server Bullies.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:13 PM
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You took the zonewide DT, which does not constitute being put on the agro list. Hence you were not on the agro list.

Scorchin took the DT from CT which is a result of being on the agro list. TMO engaged inbetween Scorchin being on the agro list and Scorchin dieing.

Hence, FTE SHOUT would have called SCORCHIN. Hence FTE would have been SCORCHIN'S if you engaged before he was off the agro list.
As you said yourself, this comes down to a matter of seconds. In this case, undoubtedly, fractions of a second.

The question is simply this: Should the rules allow for a decision maker to make rulings so as to promote fairness as much as possible, or should we operate strictly by the letter of the laws without deviation?

Clearly, we know what the rules are. The question is, what is fair?

Do you believe it would be fair if FE were in TMO's position instead? Would it be fair if the "sniping guild" were in the SE corner of the zone with the "puller" near the engaging raid? Do you believe that there exists any set of circumstances where the guild that is merited FTE by the encounter logs should not be merited the kill?

I believe that fairness demands flexibility and occasional subjective decision making. Perhaps you do not. Both are valid view points, the question is, which do we pursue for the health of the server?

I submit that slavish devotion to the current rules produces inequity and unfairness.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:17 PM
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[Mon Nov 12 10:05:21 2012] Cazic Thule says 'DRUI'
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:24 2012] Taelara says, 'Hail, Cazic Thule'
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:26 2012] Cazic Thule shouts 'Denizens of Fear, your master commands you to come forth to his aid!!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:29 2012] Kaltion tries to pierce Cazic Thule, but misses!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:29 2012] Cazic Thule shouts 'SCORCHIN'
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:30 2012] Cazic Thule crushes Kaltion for 381 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:30 2012] Cazic Thule tries to crush Kaltion, but misses!
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:30 2012] Cazic Thule bashes Kaltion for 230 points of damage.
[Mon Nov 12 10:05:31 2012] Biggslick tries to slash Cazic Thule pet, but Cazic Thule pet's magical skin absorbs the blow!


[Mon Nov 12 10:06:00 2012] Your faction standing with DenizensofFear could not possibly get any worse.
[Mon Nov 12 10:06:00 2012] Your faction standing with CazicThule could not possibly get any worse.


[Mon Nov 12 10:07:49 2012] Ephi says out of character, 'FTE -> Scorchin, Kaltion, Biggslick'
I still want to see the encounter log.

Afaik Ephi wouldn't have access to it.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:24 PM
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As you said yourself, this comes down to a matter of seconds. In this case, undoubtedly, fractions of a second.

The question is simply this: Should the rules allow for a decision maker to make rulings so as to promote fairness as much as possible, or should we operate strictly by the letter of the laws without deviation?

Clearly, we know what the rules are. The question is, what is fair?

Do you believe it would be fair if FE were in TMO's position instead? Would it be fair if the "sniping guild" were in the SE corner of the zone with the "puller" near the engaging raid? Do you believe that there exists any set of circumstances where the guild that is merited FTE by the encounter logs should not be merited the kill?

I believe that fairness demands flexibility and occasional subjective decision making. Perhaps you do not. Both are valid view points, the question is, which do we pursue for the health of the server?

I submit that slavish devotion to the current rules produces inequity and unfairness.
Fairness is a function of the rules in place. If the rules themselves are skewed or exhibit favoritism, or if the rules are redefined such that the parties involved were not aware of the 'new' rules before they engaged in their actions, this is what defines unfairness.

FE was formed to compete under these existing rules. We agree that they are fucked up and would like a different set of rules. If FE was in the position TMO was, we would work for a different set of rules. This does not change the fact that we decided to play the game that YOU have been playing for a very long time under the shitty system the current rules give us. Do not turn this around on everyone else now that people are actually trying to play the FTE game with you - if TMO did not like this, THEY could have changed this.

We all know the rules. We all know the limits of the rules. This case does not break the limitations of FTE. Just because TMO was 'under CT' does not matter even one fucking bit. Even FTE shouts would have to be overturned in the case of this ruling.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:26 PM
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Fairness is a function of the rules in place. If the rules themselves are skewed or exhibit favoritism, or if the rules are redefined such that the parties involved were not aware of the 'new' rules before they engaged in their actions, this is what defines unfairness.

FE was formed to compete under these existing rules. We agree that they are fucked up and would like a different set of rules. If FE was in the position TMO was, we would work for a different set of rules. This does not change the fact that we decided to play the game that YOU have been playing for a very long time under the shitty system the current rules give us. Do not turn this around on everyone else now that people are actually trying to play the FTE game with you - if TMO did not like this, THEY could have changed this.

We all know the rules. We all know the limits of the rules. This case does not break the limitations of FTE. Just because TMO was 'under CT' does not matter even one fucking bit. Even FTE shouts would have to be overturned in the case of this ruling.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:27 PM
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:30 PM
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:31 PM
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