New Druid Advice from the experts

[loramin]

So the drop rate of an item is the only thing that influences its price? The length the server has been around, the item's popularity, the perceived difficulty of the camp ... none of that impacts the price at all?

If so then yes, inferring the drop rate from the item price and ignoring all other data is definitely the smart move [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the drop rate of an item is the only thing that influences its price? The length the server has been around, the item's popularity, the perceived difficulty of the camp ... none of that impacts the price at all?

Why do you think Fungi Tunic dropped in price from 100k to 35k? Goblin Ring and Fungi Tunic are both from Kunark, so they've been around for the same amount of time. Fungi Tunic is probably the most popular item on P99, used by more classes than Goblin Ring, and needs high level characters to farm it.

Why was Goblin Ring immune to such a steep drop in price when less classes use it, and it is supposedly so easy to get solo at low levels?

I explained my reasoning in the previous post:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=152

I am curious to hear your reasoning as to why Goblin Ring has remained at 5-6k in 2025 when it is so easy to get via solo low level players.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

For reference, Fungi Tunic was selling for around 60k near the end of 2015 on blue:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ed+Scale+Tunic

Goblin Ring was selling for around 7k at the same time on blue:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ht=Goblin+Ring

When SCHW were being sold on blue in 2015, people were selling them for thousands of plat. You can see 6k for Goblin Ring and 4.6k for SCHW.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...tin+hand+wraps

The price for Goblin Ring has only gone down maybe 1kpp on Blue over 9 years. Fungi Tunic has dropped 20-25kpp in the same time, and SCHW are like 300pp now.

I find it hard to believe that Goblin Ring is so easy to get by level 20 solo druids, but the price has barely changed in 9 years compared to Fungi Tunic and SCHW. HP Regen and Haste are huge boosts for any melee class, and even non-melee classes like Shamans.

[bcbrown]

I just checked and the 2-spawn is camped on green. One of the reasons I've never seriously tried to camp it is that the 2-spawn is usually occupied. I spent a ton of time there on my bard swarming goblins for skins and it was usually camped.

I think you're seeing the symptoms of a decade-old dying server with a population in the couple hundreds. Regardless, if there's a 10% chance of a ring drop in 10 hours spent leveling there, that's really good. If there's a 1% chance it's still worth considering. If there was no goblin ring it'd still be a good suggestion for a charming druid in the teens and low 20s.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just checked and the 2-spawn is camped on green. One of the reasons I've never seriously tried to camp it is that the 2-spawn is usually occupied. I spent a ton of time there on my bard swarming goblins for skins and it was usually camped.

I think you're seeing the symptoms of a decade-old dying server with a population in the couple hundreds. Regardless, if there's a 10% chance of a ring drop in 10 hours spent leveling there, that's really good. If there's a 1% chance it's still worth considering. If there was no goblin ring it'd still be a good suggestion for a charming druid in the teens and low 20s.

If you look at the price data I just posted:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=157

Goblin Ring is clearly pretty rare, especially if it is camped often. You would see similar price drops to Fungi Tunic and SCHW with Goblin Ring if the supply of Goblin Rings was anywhere near the same, and campable by level 20s instead of level 50+ characters.

A decade old server with a smaller population usually suffers from high supply and low demand. Thus the price drops on Fungi and SCHW.

When price remains fairly constant, that usually indicates some combination of lower supply and higher demand. Considering Fungi Tunic is more popular than Goblin Ring, I doubt the issue is due to Goblin Ring having a huge demand compared to Fungi Tunic, while also having a similar supply.

Most likely supply for Goblin Rings is significantly lower. This shouldn't be the case if Goblin Ring is easier to acquire than Fungi Tunic, and has been around for the same amount of time.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is probably incorrect. Again, if Goblin Ring was that easy to get, it wouldn't be worth 5-6k in 2025 after 10+ years of farming. Everyone would have one for cheap. That's how the economy works. I'll trust the prices over a simple claim.

Most camp you can kill 2-3 mobs and afk 25 minutes while this one you have to find your PH and basically staple your eyelids open for 8 hours if you're not terribly unlucky. Most people don't enjoy that camp. I haven't seen all that many rings for sale in EC.

I crunched the table's average time to drop and it was about 8 hours if you remove the outliers, about 25 couriers.

Honestly for plat farming, most of the spots i mentionned are often taken. I showed up at nybright a dozen times early 2024 and I never got it. I guess gargoyles are the same, being in OOT I didn't bother. Dalnir brutes are forever taken, never seen them open and honestly you want to exp actively it is a shit camp.

I guess most people won't have that kind of money until their 40s. If you really want the ring there are 2 ways to do it that makes sense in my opinion as a druid.

1- Get to 40s and camp it.
2- Get to 40s and quad wyverns/guards until you got your 6k. I think that's probably more effective than going out of your way for pocket change.

I came back to EQ on a nostalgia field trip with p99 and i did the scenic route while leveling (tradeskills, shawl, lots of self found gear, epic parts, questing) but in the end loramin's right, all the money you can make on the way to 60 is mostly garbage until you're in your mid 50s or so. I probably made more money in frenzy in a week than I did 1-56. If you can make money while getting good exp that's cool but I wouldn't slack on exp for money.

Just my 2 cents from someone who wasted A LOT of time getting his main to 60.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most camp you can kill 2-3 mobs and afk 25 minutes while this one you have to find your PH and basically staple your eyelids open for 8 hours if you're not terribly unlucky. Most people don't enjoy that camp. I haven't seen all that many rings for sale in EC.

Peggi Cloak is also an annoying camp, yet plenty of people do it for cash. The price on Peggi Cloak makes sense too, as the item is No Drop, and the cycle was nerfed somewhat a few years ago. Supply can't build up on No Drop items, and a lot of classes want Peggi Cloak.

Forager cycle also requires more work, but plenty of Ceremonial Iksar Chestplates exist on the market. The price on that has gone down a lot too.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I crunched the table's average time to drop and it was about 8 hours if you remove the outliers, about 25 couriers.

Again I don't think that is the case based on the price data.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=157

The wiki is probably wrong. Price data is informed by the entire userbase, not a few wiki editors.

People don't seem to understand that plat farmers did every camp they could to death, especially on Blue before Green launched when the server pop was 1000+. That is why prices are so cheap now, because supply is high for most items. This is especially true for easy to get items.

A camp that is netting a 6k item every 8 hours on average would be permacamped, especially when any level 20+ caster can do it.

[bcbrown]

It's heavily camped on green, based on the time I've spent in zone. But that's irrelevant. Even if there's only a 1% chance of getting a ring it's still a great spot to level a druid for a couple levels.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's heavily camped on green, based on the time I've spent in zone.

If it's permacamped and the price hasn't changed, that means supply is low. It's a rare item, and thus you probably won't get it while leveling there. This supports my argument, so thank you.

Price data:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=157

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If people knew of a camp where they could make 1000 plat per hour at level 40 or 500 plat per hour at level 20 with any caster class, it would be permacamped.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it's permacamped and the price hasn't changed, that means supply is low. It's a rare item, and thus you probably won't get it while leveling there. This supports my argument, so thank you.

It's really hard to follow your argument when you're simultaneously arguing that it not being permacamped supports your argument but also that it being permacamped supports your argument.

Either way it's irrelevant. It's a fun zone zone with animals to charm so it's a good suggestion and I thank Loramin for mentioning it.