Want to Start a Rogue and Just want to Make Sure I Understand a Couple Things

[Duik]

Never mentioned anyone in particular knobend. DSM
That was just generic advice, if we actually wanna help someone, we wouldnt permanently piss in the font of knowledge with repeated similar and defensive comments. Sure, defend your point, that is what we do. But dont confuse defending your point with Needing To Win.

Str, sta at creation, is not really as important as this convoluted shitstorm makes it out to be.
The wisest necro prolly had fun. Maybe not smashing fastest to 60 record. But fucking hilarious.

Tell OP sta is, in YOUR opinion the best option, based on A+B+C. Adendum the shit outa it if you forgot an important point.
But lets not repeatedly shit in our advice pool. This goes for us all. I just now repeated myself about this. See, it does not help!
Im off to melt my own face for mana.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never mentioned anyone in particular knobend. DSM
That was just generic advice, if we actually wanna help someone, we wouldnt permanently piss in the font of knowledge with repeated similar and defensive comments. Sure, defend your point, that is what we do. But dont confuse defending your point with Needing To Win.

Str, sta at creation, is not really as important as this convoluted shitstorm makes it out to be.
The wisest necro prolly had fun. Maybe not smashing fastest to 60 record. But fucking hilarious.

Tell OP sta is, in YOUR opinion the best option, based on A+B+C. Adendum the shit outa it if you forgot an important point.
But lets not repeatedly shit in our advice pool. This goes for us all. I just now repeated myself about this. See, it does not help!
Im off to melt my own face for mana.

I am not confusing defending my point with needing to win. It is your opinion I am trying to win, but you don't have any evidence to back that up. You could say the same thing about Crede, and it would have equal merit. You are singling me out specifically, and it is silly to claim otherwise. The post history is clear.

The reason why this debate is still going is because the people who are claiming STR is the better starting stat are being logically inconsistent with their claims.

1. The first claim is STR is going to give some tangible benefit to OP if they select it over STA.
2. The second claim is fashion is superior to stats. This implies the STR is not going to give a tangible benefit to OP. That is why you can pick whichever race you want, regardless of their starting stats.

These two claims are at odds, and nobody can explain how they can both be true. If posters think STR will tangibly help, they would suggest that OP picks Barbarian. There is no rule on this forum that stipulates that you cannot suggest a different race than what OP is thinking about, even if you don't expect OP to agree with you. If you were logically consistent with your opinion about STR, you wouldn't have a problem with discussing the merits of Barbarian over Gnome.

My claims have no inconsistencies.

1. STR is easier to cap with gear and buffs than STA.
2. Rogues are group dependent, so you have a higher probability of gaining buffs.
3. STA is harder to cap. Putting your starting stats there is giving you the benefit for more play hours.
4. Capped stats give you no bonus.

I am not sure why an inconsistent set of claims should take priority over a consistent set of claims. If people can properly explain why their claims are not inconsistent, that would be great!

[Ripqozko]

DSM threads are all teh same, bloated nonsense where he repeats a point until he feels like he won. Kittens really went downhill inviting him.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM threads are all teh same, bloated nonsense where he repeats a point until he feels like he won. Kittens really went downhill inviting him.

Ripqozko posts are all the same. You post a few random words that form a "sentence", and everybody proceeds to ignore your posts. Unfortunately you aren't as witty or interesting as you think you are. I hope you change your posting strategy at some point to something more useful. Your current methods are getting stale.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ripqozko posts are all the same. You post a few random words that form a "sentence", and everybody proceeds to ignore your posts. Unfortunately you aren't as witty or interesting as you think you are. I hope you change your posting strategy at some point to something more useful. Your current methods are getting stale.

see you on page 100

[Croco]

There is no debate that DSM has ever lost. There is no thread where he has not gotten the last word. He has more time than all of us. He checks the forums more than all of us. There is no point trying to debate him. Even if you legitimately think he's wrong about something. It doesn't matter, he will out last you. Everyone would have a better forum experience by just blocking him and calling it good.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no debate that DSM has ever lost. There is no thread where he has not gotten the last word. He has more time than all of us. He checks the forums more than all of us. There is no point trying to debate him. Even if you legitimately think he's wrong about something. It doesn't matter, he will out last you. Everyone would have a better forum experience by just blocking him and calling it good.

I am not sure why you think posting fan fiction about me is relevant to the discussion. As usual, this is a lame attempt to discredit me when you can't back up your opinion.

If you block someone because they disagree with you, your ideas are probably flimsy to begin with. You require an echo chamber to make yourself feel good, regardless of the truth. I haven't blocked a single user, because I am not afraid of being proven wrong. Your inability to prove your point is not evidence that I cannot be wrong.

[Gloomlord]

I'd feel sorry for DSM...

If we take away the fact he's an arrogant prat who feels he has to always win an argument, even over the most innocuous things.

You weren't right about Shamans being better in a 4 man caster group over Mage, and you're not right about stamina having that big of an impact with a Rogue -- a class that is not meant to tank and doesn't scale that much with stamina compared to the knights and Warrior.

Just grow up for once in your life, child.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd feel sorry for DSM...

If we take away the fact he's an arrogant prat who feels he has to always win an argument, even over the most innocuous things.

You weren't right about Shamans being better in a 4 man caster group over Mage, and you're not right about stamina having that big of an impact with a Rogue -- a class that is not meant to tank and doesn't scale that much with stamina compared to the knights and Warrior.

Just grow up for once in your life, child.

Spouting nonsense and insults is still irrelevant. This hasn't changed. Do you have anything sensible to contribute to the topic at hand?

You have 400+ posts and the vast majority of them are you trolling and contributing nothing to the conversation. I think you should take your own advise and grow up[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You are the one making yourself look bad, no one else is forcing you to make posts like this.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Infectious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You seem to argue with everyone, instead of making your point and moving on. We're you raised by a single mother? Most males that don't have a father role model will grow up acting like their mothers and have to always get the last word in. Ohh and they're always right. Sound like mom?

I think you might be spot on with this. The only people I've ever known that absolutely had to have the last word about everything and would refuse to admit being wrong, even when they were wrong, are women.