JBB, is it really that good?

[greatdane]

Originally Posted by Kawhi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This whole thread is just about people with different death risk tolerances, right?

Like if you want to give yourself the best chances of dropping a rare mob with a guaranteed drop, you might want to make sure your health stays above X% at all times and it might make sense to JBB more.

If you're farming a common mob with a rare drop, then you probably want to churn through them faster and so you're going to dot and canni more.

Either option is fine depending on what risk/reward you are going for.

What am I missing?

It's basically a confusing conflict between people who think that class dynamics should be discussed either from the perspective of how that class functions at level 60 with all the possible assets available to you then, or the perspective of whatever level and gearing stage that OP described him/herself to be at. We have here a prime example of what's wrong with the P99 forum: some dude asked in July if it was worth it to get JBB when you're high enough level to use it, and then here we are in late September debating what is or isn't possible for a fully itemized level 60 shaman to do.

In any case, it's good craic.

[long.liam]

I get the feeling that a lot the people in this thread that are downplaying the JBB chose Iksar for their shaman. The cognitive dissonance of having chosen the so called "Master Race" for their shaman and it be a possible inferior option is too much for them. Not saying everyone that disagrees does but probably a lot do. I will say this though More DPS does not equal better. Some things said here are true, but only partial truths. Saying its better for the shaman to do this or that is true, but it also applies to casting bane of nife constantly. Bane of Nife costs 425 Mana to cast. You would have to cast canni 4, 5 times to get that mana back to cast again. That would do 740 dmg to the shaman. You then have to cast torpor to get that mana back. That's not including the time needed to cast other buffs, heal other players, heal the pet, any damage the shaman is taking from AEs, tanking. High level fights are delicate balance of resources. Anything that makes that easier is great. Not saying the JBB is always good, especially on NPCs that are immune to cold, but being able to DPS without using mana is awesome.

[zelld52]

What? No. It's the opposite. You don't want to be stuck in an 8s cast when you're trying to stay alive lol

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In game videos are better proof than what you are offering, which is nothing so far. You can look at casting gaps in the video to figure out when you can cast JBB. I also literally posted a video with heavy JBB usage.

You are the one posting nonsense. That is how we came to a post truth society. You think snarky posts help for some strange reason. It just muddies the truth.

I asked for a log of your fight and you said "use your imagination". Ok Tinker Bell.

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What? No. It's the opposite. You don't want to be stuck in an 8s cast when you're trying to stay alive lol

Don't worry, he has FSI.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I asked for a log of your fight and you said "use your imagination". Ok Tinker Bell.

I provided multiple videos for you. You can take a look at them and maybe try to learn something instead of being snarky. The videos show the same exact thing the logs do and more. You can see my HP, Mana and what was happening.

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What? No. It's the opposite. You don't want to be stuck in an 8s cast when you're trying to stay alive lol

You just need to play your Shaman some more and not assume you know everything about how the class works.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just need to play your Shaman some more and not assume you know everything about how the class works.

I love shaman so much I have a level 30 shaman of each race. Two barbarians, one male and one female.

You also were saying not to bind wound or something in another post. You crazy man

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love shaman so much I have a level 30 shaman of each race. Two barbarians, one male and one female.

You also were saying not to bind wound or something in another post. You crazy man

I am glad you love the class! You should experiment with JBB then, so you can figure out when it is useful. It sounds like you haven't used the item enough, perhaps due to playing a lot of lower level Shamans. Assuming a mana free Nuke is useless on a class that needs more spell slots is a strange idea.

I am not sure what post you are referring to about Bind Wound. You might be thinking of someone else. It's a good skill to use! Shamans can wield https://wiki.project1999.com/Embalmers_Skinning_Knife , so you'll certainly get utility out of the skill. You won't really use it once you hit 60 and get Torpor, but Bind Wound is good when leveling.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Kawhi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This whole thread is just about people with different death risk tolerances, right?

Like if you want to give yourself the best chances of dropping a rare mob with a guaranteed drop, you might want to make sure your health stays above X% at all times and it might make sense to JBB more.

If you're farming a common mob with a rare drop, then you probably want to churn through them faster and so you're going to dot and canni more.

Either option is fine depending on what risk/reward you are going for.

What am I missing?

It's not kill speed, it's being able to do other stuff while your dps is on a timer rather than a recycling click. Also, every time you stop clicking the bracer, your dps drops. Even one torp and two canni's then click again it's not a 8 second click it's a 19 second click (or 14dps). For sake of discussion though, the opportunity cost of a JBB click is almost 3x canni4's with a GCD click.

Bane is a 5 second cast, it does 1648 damage in 42 seconds, it's 39dps and is one click. For a class that survives mainly by canni/torp dancing and balancing hps in with hps out and maintaining mana the idea of stopping making health or mana to lock yourself into a bracer-click dance is the anthesis of efficiency. And again, if you arent clicking every 8 seconds it's not 33 dps.

In a perfect world, I get it, using mana to do dps when you can just save it to heal isnt ideal. You need to debuff though so that's mana. And even 200mana for Torp will slowly drain your blue bar. What works with a monk-shaman-duo doesn't work properly when you're getting hit and the DD is breaking root.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I provided multiple videos for you. You can take a look at them and maybe try to learn something instead of being snarky. The videos show the same exact thing the logs do and more. You can see my HP, Mana and what was happening.

No, what a log shows is a second-by-second account of your casts, spell effects, and spells wearing off. You know this, but you dont want to post it knowing people would tear it apart.

Assuming anyone would take the time to care after page 30 when apathy has become petrified.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, what a log shows is a second-by-second account of your casts, spell effects, and spells wearing off. You know this, but you dont want to post it knowing people would tear it apart.

Assuming anyone would take the time to care after page 30 when apathy has become petrified.

The sad thing is if you had watched the video, you would know the logs are posted in the video description. If you can't even bother to watch the video, you probably aren't going to be able to parse the logs in a meaningful way. Hopefully I am wrong, and you actually post something useful for once.

[Penish]

as fun as this has been the dudes lost the ability to learn or absorb new information over his own thoughts

he's truly psychotic, like a real one

gl elf pals, lol