Nutritional Science

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your liver has to filter all of that so growing skeletal muscle(by overeating) is no different than growing adipose tissue(by overeating) in terms of workload for that poor fellow.

Multiply that by years and tell me where you'll end up.

I’ve been doing it for 7-8ish years but not enough to kill my liver, need to up my game sounds like

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea I’m a freak, I don’t recommend anyone who isn’t an elite-level athlete work out like me. I’m also on a slew of supplements, including some at times that are not FDA approved for human consumption (research chemicals) to assist with recovery

That being said, if someone with very little recent workout experience tries to jump into my workouts, their body will break down and it will produce large amounts of the stress hormone cortisol which will actually greatly hinder their progress. I’ve been working out so hard so long that my body has adapted to them, our bodies are highly adaptive

Drugs and yeah, it's called rhabdo.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’ve been doing it for 7-8ish years but not enough to kill my liver, need to up my game sounds like

Find out later no homo.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Drugs and yeah, it's called rhabdo.

It’s funny in the elite-level athlete community, giving yourself rhabdo is sometimes considered a badge of honor, despite it being a terrible life-threatening condition

Even I don’t train at that level. To give yourself rhabdo, you have to do so much damage to the muscles that they begin to literally dissolve, which causes them to dissolve into your bloodstream. The liver doesn’t know how to break down dissolved muscles, and so they cause huge amounts of damage to the liver

I’ve overtrained before, and when you are constantly working out and paying attention to your body, you are more able to “feel” things like high cortisol and overtraining. For me, when I’m pushing overtraining, I start to ache all over, joints, muscles, everything. Even stuff that isn’t sore aches. And I lose grip strength. When the cortisol sets in bad, I can’t sleep. I dance on that line of overtraining, but even overtraining isn’t rhabdo. I would have to push past even that, which to me is just insane because it’s so obvious my body is telling me that I’m overtraining. In addition to potentially killing you, it also doesn’t make sense from a progress perspective because at that point all that insane work isn’t even making progress but destroying it

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s funny in the elite-level athlete community, giving yourself rhabdo is sometimes considered a badge of honor, despite it being a terrible life-threatening condition

Even I don’t train at that level. To give yourself rhabdo, you have to do so much damage to the muscles that they begin to literally dissolve, which causes them to dissolve into your bloodstream. The liver doesn’t know how to break down dissolved muscles, and so they cause huge amounts of damage to the liver

I’ve overtrained before, and when you are constantly working out and paying attention to your body, you are more able to “feel” things like high cortisol and overtraining. For me, when I’m pushing overtraining, I start to ache all over, joints, muscles, everything. Even stuff that isn’t sore aches. And I lose grip strength. When the cortisol sets in bad, I can’t sleep. I dance on that line of overtraining, but even overtraining isn’t rhabdo. I would have to push past even that, which to me is just insane because it’s so obvious my body is telling me that I’m overtraining. In addition to potentially killing you, it also doesn’t make sense from a progress perspective because at that point all that insane work isn’t even making progress but destroying it

A normie person would get it easily from what you say you do. Your organs may be acclimated for now but the years will toll.

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[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A normie person would get it easily from what you say you do. Your organs may be acclimated for now but the years will toll.

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Easily at first yes, but like I said, our bodies are highly adaptable. There’s drug tested UFC fighters who in their training camps run 10-12 miles per day in addition to doing sparring and drill sessions, every day. Now granted, maybe they found a way to get around USADA drug testing and are on PED’s, that’s always a possibility

A 4-5 mile run at my speed is definitely above average but not that crazy. A 2 hour lifting session is not that crazy. “You can’t recover enough by the next day to do that again”. This is correct, which is why it’s a completely different workout the next day, of a completely different part of the body. Any professional athlete in any drug tested sport works out significantly harder and longer than me. Michael Phelps the Olympic swimmer used to eat and burn 8,000 calories per day with 6 hour cardio sessions. Maybe all their livers are going to fail but haven’t yet

[Reiwa]

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Easily at first yes, but like I said, our bodies are highly adaptable. There’s drug tested UFC fighters who in their training camps run 10-12 miles per day in addition to doing sparring and drill sessions, every day. Now granted, maybe they found a way to get around USADA drug testing and are on PED’s, that’s always a possibility

A 4-5 mile run at my speed is definitely above average but not that crazy. A 2 hour lifting session is not that crazy. “You can’t recover enough by the next day to do that again”. This is correct, which is why it’s a completely different workout the next day, of a completely different part of the body. Any professional athlete in any drug tested sport works out significantly harder and longer than me. Michael Phelps the Olympic swimmer used to eat and burn 8,000 calories per day with 6 hour cardio sessions. Maybe all their livers are going to fail but haven’t yet

Lactins and proteins are different difficulties.

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[starkind]

Doubt he's still doing that.

Michael Phelps the Olympic swimmer used to eat and burn 8,000 calories per day with 6 hour cardio sessions.

Yeah. Was able to maintain a pretty good physique in my 20s on 7k calories.

Wouldn't recommend it as a lifestyle choice tho. Unless you just want to go do fun stuff until you die.

And you can get away with it for a decade or two, the medical bills will rack up over 50 tho. So you best have a life savings.

I honestly pray you'll be fine. I don't want to see you ever go through the kind of decline I went through over the last 3 years in your 40s. Or 50s. You should still work out and eat well. Just. Dunno man. Dunno.

[unsunghero]

It’s a good thing we can test for elevated liver enzymes in blood tests. I guess I’ll just have to get one and see how much damage I’ve done then huh

[starkind]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s a good thing we can test for elevated liver enzymes in blood tests. I guess I’ll just have to get one and see how much damage I’ve done then huh

I had that from regular alcohol poisoning until I cooled it. Yes, I had a doc tell me to cool it.

My liver labs aren't terrible now tho.