During the non-planned capitol insurrection.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Byue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll let you in on a secret: there are hell of a lot smarter people than we, out there.
Because you don't know how doesn't mean humans don't know how

So are we relying on the "people smarter than I created these systems to enforce our laws, therefore they have no potential failings" explanation?

So we can apply this concept to the use of lethal force?

Oh, and capital punishment?

I mean people like to armchair critique the fuck out of those, but if law enforcement is a bunch of smartie scientist types, then they probably are getting everything else right too

[Byue]

Then it is all on your honor, I salute you.

I am wrong often, and will not fight when I am and I'm glad you reviewed your position, a bit. Your example was very good.
If a computer is the parameter, the virus doesn't want to be found but you can find it.
Because you know what a clean computer looks like.

I think, and this is what experts seem to agree with, which is why I think that, that the biggest risk in mail-in voting is that your vote does not get counted for a myriad of administrative reasons.

There are serious safeguards that are remarkably easy to make to ensure the ballots are legit like serial numbers and what not, you now. We can do it for bank notes, and money is safe.

Again, the most probable thing that will happen if you vote by mail is that it is rejected for one of the many reasons it can be rejected for, like not being received on time, even if you mailed it in time and your signature not being 100% exactly like the one they have on file (which you know, it is fucking tough to do a signature the same, every time. "Real signatures are always slightly different and they differ every time. If the signatures are exact replica there is a very strong possibility of forgery. Difference between signatures increases proportionally with the complexity . Simple ones are less different from one another." ( why signing is different every time)

No studies, whether conducted in the US or anywhere else in the world, found that there was an increased voter fraud when using mail.

And it makes sense, it's a lot of work for one vote and states, with the first past the post like the US has, don'T swing all that much.

Can you imagine doing this incredible voter fraud that extend to mail fraud and a lot of jail time for one extra vote?

Five states - Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington - hold their elections primarily by mail and have documented almost no cases of cheating. Oregon, for instance, has sent out more than 100 million mail ballots since 2000 and reported around a dozen cases of proven fraud.


Basically, there is not a tons of ways you can do voter fraud so we kind of know where to check.

Basically, you get more chances of changing an election by partaking in it, convincing your friends to go out and vote, etc.

Also, the last 3 people in the US charged with voter fraud were republicans [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Correlation is not causation but it does mean, if the topic interests you, that perhaps listening to republicans on this is not ideal.

And seeing the facts, stricter ID laws for voting won't affect fraud but it will affect turn out and let me just say one thing:

WE have like, no power.
The only power we have, is to choose so basically, the biggest amount of people who gets to choose is good. Anything that lessen voter turn out can be seen as antidemocratic if voting is the only power you wield.

Think about that.

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So are we relying on the "people smarter than I created these systems to enforce our laws, therefore they have no potential failings" explanation?

So we can apply this concept to the use of lethal force?

Oh, and capital punishment?

I mean people like to armchair critique the fuck out of those, but if law enforcement is a bunch of smartie scientist types, then they probably are getting everything else right too

No, I literally meant that there are a lot of very smart people working on these problems.
To me, seeing johny the uneducated republican not knowing how shit works is not a representation of knowledge.
I don't fucking know how to fly the soyouz but I trust it works and that someone who does know how to pilot it will be able to take it back to earth safely.
Even if I could never do it.

I'm saying that I don't really know American laws surrounding voting and that some smart people are making sure that there is less and less fraud, every cycle.

A bit like money printed in 2021 have more security features on them than the money printed in 2010 because some smart people benched over how forgers forge it and how they can avoid that.

"Most powerful country on earth!"
Can't even run an election without fraud because no smart people at all work on election security during the off election cycles.
You tried to twist what I said.
I don't think the NSA knows about every terrorist on earth but everyday, a little more. Right?

To be fair though, I think removing these machines is the first thing that should be done.
All western countries, all democratic countries actually, use paper and pen and it works wonder and it leaves a clear paper trail.
Very hard to hack.
Not without problems, but if India can vote with paper and count he billion of votes in less than a day, USA needs to get a better grip.



Can't claim to be a functioning democracy if you don't even believe in the institutions that serves democracy, like election officials telling you there was no fraud.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Byue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Five states - Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington - hold their elections primarily by mail and have documented almost no cases of cheating. Oregon, for instance, has sent out more than 100 million mail ballots since 2000 and reported around a dozen cases of proven fraud

You'll have to forgive me for not being filled with confidence in our system because 5 liberal state governments happened to not discover large amounts of evidence of what would be seen as a giant black eye on their voting procedure

also,

There are hardly any documented cases of female prostitutes being arrested. I conclude that this means there are hardly any female prostitutes in the USA (the real reason: police don't see it as a policing priority, due to most female prostitutes being victims themselves)

I hardly ever hear about people getting arrested for buying drugs off the dark web. Therefore, almost no one is buying drugs off the dark web (real reason: law enforcement still sucks at detecting it. But for all our advancements in cyber technology, good old unpatched, un-updated TOR is still > law enforcement)

And seeing the facts, stricter ID laws for voting won't affect fraud but it will affect turn out and let me just say one thing

So we should defer to the experts but this sounds like an expert assertation to me

Anything that lessen voter turn out can be seen as antidemocratic if voting is the only power you wield.

Think about that.

If we removed all security measures we would have the max amount of people voting. Therefore we shouldn't have any security measures if voter turnout is our sole priority. If having to write your name on your ballet feels like too much effort for 1 person, that rule just lessened voter turnout. So obviously we shouldn't be making blanket statements about voter turnout, but I do agree with the concept that lessening voter turnout on a large scale could be seen as anti-democratic

[Gravydoo II]

There you have it. Democrats cannot be trusted because they have black people in their party. Democrats cannot be trusted because they have immigrants and POC in their party. Only the lily white purity of the republican party, the same people who said "all elections are full of fraud but cant find a single example" can be trusted. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL The KKK guys, they are the ones that can be trusted. Not the party that says "election results are real and they happened".

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"all elections are full of fraud but cant find a single example" can be trusted. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL The KKK guys, they are the ones that can be trusted. Not the party that says "election results are real and they happened".

A lie. I found examples in seconds on Google?

Oh is the rule that if the number is small we get to just round down to zero?

Ok, let me try! There were zero unjustified police shootings in the years 2019 and 2020. Hundreds of millions of police/civilian interactions, a handful of unjustified shootings. Round those down to zero. Zero unjustified shootings

[Gravydoo II]

Yep. Pretty much. You see how its a ratio?? For every one fraudulent republican vote, theres over 250,000,000 ones that were not. Oh I know they promised you daddy would be back but hes not coming back son. He's going to prison. Sorry kid, daddy is gone. Your little AZ audit attempts are back firing. Its all crumbling down around you, the entire republican party. Its hilarious watching it die and watching you flail to try to justify every little thing. Keep squirming.

Its actually less than one. Its 0.0025% for mail in. So yeah, you can round that to zero. See how that works?? Too hard?

Lets talk about what trumps going to be doing in prison. Its much more fun than watching you cry about "omg 1 fraudulent vote!! the entire system is WHAAA!! whaaa!!! i need my bottle!!"

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep. Pretty much. You see how its a ratio?? For every one fraudulent republican vote, theres over 250,000,000 ones that were not. Oh I know they promised you daddy would be back but hes not coming back son. He's going to prison. Sorry kid, daddy is gone. Your little AZ audit attempts are back firing. Its all crumbling down around you, the entire republican party. Its hilarious watching it die and watching you flail to try to justify every little thing. Keep squirming.

Lets talk about what trumps going to be doing in prison. Its much more fun than watching you cry about "omg 1 fraudulent vote!! the entire system is WHAAA!! whaaa!!! i need my bottle!!"

If single fraudulent votes don’t matter, then I guess no state elections can be won by just a handful of votes. Ever

When did I say that Trump is going to overturn the election results again?

You all like to put words in my mouth and then play make believe with them harder than my little cousins play with their action figure toys

Here’s something I will say. Hold onto it ok? This is an actual quote from me for you to copy+save so you rub in my face: Trump is not going to jail

[unsunghero]

Or if this your conviction, then let’s back it with some money?

Let’s not use the end of this year, democrats work far too ineffectively and slowly for that

If, by the end of next year, Trump is not in prison, you owe me $100. If he is, I owe you $100

Let’s test these convictions. You have a year and a half to figure out how to RMT fungi tunics on P99 to make me the money, because I know ya’ll don’t work real jobs

[Gravydoo II]

Show me one state, an entire state, won by the margin of the total number of fraudulent ballots in the past 20 years. Show me one county. Show me one race. Just one.

We get it. No matter what, it wont be good enough because daddy lost. We get it. Because you hold everything to that standard. 1 is too many, its all invalid. Got it. When you get a spec of dirt on your car, you buy a new car, right? When you get a particle of dirt on your floor, you throw away the entire floor. got it.

You know court cases dont last exactly 7 months. Everyone knows that. That would be a VERY speedy court case. They are charging the former president and you want it to be over in 7 months? I decline.

Might want to google Cy Vance.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Show me one state, an entire state, won by the margin of the total number of fraudulent ballots in the past 20 years. Show me one county. Show me one race. Just one.

We get it. No matter what, it wont be good enough because daddy lost. We get it. Because you hold everything to that standard. 1 is too many, its all invalid. Got it. When you get a spec of dirt on your car, you buy a new car, right? When you get a particle of dirt on your floor, you throw away the entire floor. got it.

You know court cases dont last exactly 7 months. Everyone knows that. That would be a VERY speedy court case. They are charging the former president and you want it to be over in 7 months? I decline.

Might want to google Cy Vance.

Are you talking about the bet about trump going to Prison? Can you read? You do realize I said the end of NEXT year? That’s a year and 7 months. What’s the excuse now

Sure, find me a list of all fraudulent votes of every state in the past 20 years, and I’ll find an example where a state could have been won by that margin. Oh is that too much work? Oh you have a life? Ditto