"Need before greed"

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Fawqueue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is exactly why NBG is a terrible system unless you are among friends. That player is eventually going to sell the item...so they got not only the benefit of wearing it but 100% of the plat value down the road just because the other 5 members of the group felt bad about rolling. NBG is a con that ropes in suckers every time.

Disagree in certain contexts such as an item that's very limited to only one or a select number of classes and/or is very good for that class. Maybe they'll sell it later on in their character's life as expansions come out and better gear becomes available, but who cares. If they need such an item now, then I'm fine with doing NBG.

[bum3]

If you get item and sell it to upgrade the character you're on, that isn't greed. Getting the item and selling it to equip an alt is. Games like EQ and other MMOs and their origins of DnD and other pen and papers is designed so that character is you.. the people you play with on that toon are playing with that character not your split personalities. Problem is... greed randoms almost always go to different personalities at some point and not the character you are getting the item on. That's why it was dubbed greed. That being said when you join a group and they say its all randoms no nbg. Then you choose to stay and abide by it. If you don't like it, leave the group. Same in reverse. You join a guild group of 5 and they say nbg... and you throw a fit. That is your problem. The 5 don't need you. They were doing it before you asked to join them. They were just spreading the love of exp all over your face.

[GuiltyLight]

Originally Posted by bum3 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you get item and sell it to upgrade the character you're on, that isn't greed.

... yes. Yes it is. There is no actual difference between you wanting to not spend money on the item and then get money from selling it later, and other people rolling on it to sell it in the tunnel. It's all greed.

If a good item drops, no one needs it. There's no such thing as needing an item. Everyone wants it because everyone is greedy. Because it's going to make them more powerful or get the more platinum or make them look fabulous. It's greed. Who can equip it is irrelevant.

Also what are you talking about about how that character is you? It's a video game. Even D&D is just a role-playing game, and an MMO is a pretty far cry from a pencil and paper RPG to begin with. Shaniqua the wood elf Ranger doesn't exist. And her player doesn't need that fbss any more than anyone else in the group does.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by GuiltyLight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... yes. Yes it is. There is no actual difference between you wanting to not spend money on the item and then get money from selling it later, and other people rolling on it to sell it in the tunnel. It's all greed.

If a good item drops, no one needs it. There's no such thing as needing an item. Everyone wants it because everyone is greedy. Because it's going to make them more powerful or get the more platinum or make them look fabulous. It's greed. Who can equip it is irrelevant.

Also what are you talking about about how that character is you? It's a video game. Even D&D is just a role-playing game, and an MMO is a pretty far cry from a pencil and paper RPG to begin with. Shaniqua the wood elf Ranger doesn't exist. And her player doesn't need that fbss any more than anyone else in the group does.

Nobody needs anything in a video game but want isnt the same as greed. And nobody needs anything in real life either, not even water. You'll just die without it.

[GuiltyLight]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Want isnt the same as greed.

...... Yea. It is.

[bum3]

Originally Posted by GuiltyLight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...... Yea. It is.

Absolutely.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by GuiltyLight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...... Yea. It is.

No its not. You can want something then trade it for a reasonable price instead of trying to get as much as you possibly can.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by GuiltyLight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... yes. Yes it is. There is no actual difference between you wanting to not spend money on the item and then get money from selling it later, and other people rolling on it to sell it in the tunnel. It's all greed.

If a good item drops, no one needs it. There's no such thing as needing an item. Everyone wants it because everyone is greedy. Because it's going to make them more powerful or get the more platinum or make them look fabulous. It's greed. Who can equip it is irrelevant.

Also what are you talking about about how that character is you? It's a video game. Even D&D is just a role-playing game, and an MMO is a pretty far cry from a pencil and paper RPG to begin with. Shaniqua the wood elf Ranger doesn't exist. And her player doesn't need that fbss any more than anyone else in the group does.

I don't think it's greed if you need the item at the time and use it and then sell it later though...

[GuiltyLight]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think it's greed if you need the item at the time and use it and then sell it later though...

Explain to me how it is any functionally different to equip an item right then or to sell it and get something you want. Explain to me how everyone rolling on everything in pick up groups is in any way not the best, most fair method for distributing loot, while simultaneously avoiding all of the scam artists and hypocrisies of nbg.

Everything is greed. There is no such thing as need in-game, and wanting an item for any reason is greed. Just because you want to think of greed as a negative word doesn't change anything.

Now if you're with a group of friends or guildmates, that's one thing. Although even that in a way is greed because you want the people you ride with to become stronger, so you can get more stuff. But a bunch of just random strangers? I don't trust any of them. And none of them need the worth of an item more than I do, and vice versa.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by GuiltyLight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Explain to me how it is any functionally different to equip an item right then or to sell it and get something you want. Explain to me how everyone rolling on everything in pick up groups is in any way not the best, most fair method for distributing loot, while simultaneously avoiding all of the scam artists and hypocrisies of nbg.

Everything is greed. There is no such thing as need in-game, and wanting an item for any reason is greed. Just because you want to think of greed as a negative word doesn't change anything.

Now if you're with a group of friends or guildmates, that's one thing. Although even that in a way is greed because you want the people you ride with to become stronger, so you can get more stuff. But a bunch of just random strangers? I don't trust any of them. And none of them need the worth of an item more than I do, and vice versa.

Simple. If it’s something that person actually needs at that moment in time, then I’m fine with them rolling on it. Sure, when Kunark or Velious come out they’ll probably end up replacing it. But if they use it for awhile then I have no issue with them rolling need on it.