AskEQ! What item(s), gear, or weapon(s) do you feel are overpriced in today's market?

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by Quizlop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? That low? I remember when it was near 200k.

It may be the single most overpowered spell in the game, and everyone knows it. That's why they can afford to charge what they do.

The order of overpowered spells is this:

1) CH
2) Slow
3) Charm
4) Torpor

Don’t agree? Come fight me.

[Nirgon]

My vuhgynee hurts bad lower torpor price

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there's nothing wrong with gearing for a bit of dex for soloing with a tstaff, but wrist is not the slot to do it in.

there is literally nothing BiS about that wrist other than the fact that it's the highest DEX wrist item that monks can wear. why spend 28k when you can pick up a Sejah Ghulam Bracer (quested, free) and Hardened Clay Bracelet (800-1k)?

a hypothetical monk twink:
white wolf-hide girdle: +13
cloak of flames: +9
circlet of falinkan: +5
white lotus wrist wraps: +3 (+6) (assume no BoBs)
white lotus arm wraps: +7
twisted bone earring: +5
black pantherskin boots: +5
celestial fists: +10
white lotus pants: +4 (+5 if black pantherskin)
+6 neck: +6
black pantherskin shoulderpads: +4

+74 DEX without wasting 28k on a terrible, overpriced item

So you're buying stuff like Cloak of Flames for dex but woven vine wristband is too much?

+74 Dex isn't doing the best you could do with dex. Hence why the woven vine wristband is a BiS for proccing. Lot's of people pay premium to put themselves in position to be the best possible in every situation.

I never once said it's a great value item but it surely is the price that it is because it's the BiS for certain situations.

[Iksar_with_a_plan]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there's nothing wrong with gearing for a bit of dex for soloing with a tstaff, but wrist is not the slot to do it in.

there is literally nothing BiS about that wrist other than the fact that it's the highest DEX wrist item that monks can wear. why spend 28k when you can pick up a Sejah Ghulam Bracer (quested, free) and Hardened Clay Bracelet (800-1k)?

a hypothetical monk twink:
white wolf-hide girdle: +13
cloak of flames: +9
circlet of falinkan: +5
white lotus wrist wraps: +3 (+6) (assume no BoBs)
white lotus arm wraps: +7
twisted bone earring: +5
black pantherskin boots: +5
celestial fists: +10
white lotus pants: +4 (+5 if black pantherskin)
+6 neck: +6
black pantherskin shoulderpads: +4

+74 DEX without wasting 28k on a terrible, overpriced item

I agree that Wovin Vine Wristband is overpriced... The argument to make however is first and foremost most monks will reach max dex at later levels w/ buffs especially raiding monks regardless if you want to spend 30k on it or not, secondly that monks who's valued focus is to proc their weapon are a pain in the ass for the tank at all stages of the game, thirdly as you seem to have stated that an equally high dexterity can be achieved with much less plat, and fourthly to say something like its worth 30k because its a BiS wrist slot for monks who want enough dex to proc is making the argument that the wristband is worth what its worth because it meets a set of specific conditions, and applies to a very limited percentage of players in the game. You simply cannot give that much value to something for those reasons, period...

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Iksar_with_a_plan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree that Wovin Vine Wristband is overpriced... The argument to make however is first and foremost most monks will reach max dex at later levels w/ buffs especially raiding monks regardless if you want to spend 30k on it or not, secondly that monks who's valued focus is to proc their weapon are a pain in the ass for the tank at all stages of the game, thirdly as you seem to have stated that an equally high dexterity can be achieved with much less plat, and fourthly to say something like its worth 30k because its a BiS wrist slot for monks who want enough dex to proc is making the argument that the wristband is worth what its worth because it meets a set of specific conditions, and applies to a very limited percentage of players in the game. You simply cannot give that much value to something for those reasons, period...

I use it on my shammy too when I want to score proc during solo situations. It's a great item for scoring procs.

There's quite a few situations where you might want a monk to proc. I duo with a monk at a camp where there is a lot of resists on slows. When the monk procs his weap, he generates good aggro which allows me to spam my slows and not have to wait.

There's definitely lots of situations where that extra dex will come in handy.

[Iksar_with_a_plan]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's definitely lots of situations where that extra dex will come in handy.

Ok... Fine... Ill be THAT guy. And keep in mind the following post is only regarding one of the issues I previously stated with your sentiment towards the godly Woven Vine Wristband. A sentiment that you seem to be really holding on to as if saying its overpriced is some sort of insult to you.

Wiki gives us a rough formula for determining how many procs youll achieve with your mainhand. here it is

(Dex/170) + 0.5 = procs per minute rate for main hand.

Lets say for the sake of argument we're going to compare if a monk was to equip a Woven Vine Wristband VS https://wiki.project1999.com/Shiverback-hide_Wristbands (and im going easy on you here, there are other choices to close this dexterity gap even more). There is a difference between 5 dexterity between these two items. So lets use the formula

Monk A has 170 dexterity with Shiverback Wrist equipped.

Monk B has 175 dexterity with Woven Vine Wristband equipped.

Using the formula we determine that:

Monk A has a (170/170 + 0.5 =) 1.5 chances to proc per minute

Monk B has a (175/170 +0.5 =) 1.529 chances to proc per minute.

The difference in chances to proc per minute between these two monks is .029 thousandths chances per minute.

And you're basing your entire argument off of the fact that the extra dex is good for proccing. Meaning. Your rich ass would pay 30,000 platinum for an extra .029 thousandths chance of proccing. I'm sure that make a big deal when your monk needs to hold aggro huh??

This doesnt even allude to the other ideas I presented earlier. Like I could definitely find that extra .029 thousandths of a chance to proc from other gear without spending 30k...

Or how monks who proc an extra .029 thousandths of a chance per minute are going to piss off the tank (now that i've done the math I guess that point may be moot).

Or how most monks who can afford something for 30k can already MAX out their Dex if not from buffs.

I mean do I really have to keep going here? C'mon man let go of this absurd fascination with this wristband

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Kayso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you haven't figured it out yet, doubling down on wrong (or stupid) is his M.O., apparently. You're wasting your time.

Wha?

You literally don’t understand the phrasing that different gear is BiS for different situations. Talk about doubling down....

Idk what math that guys doing but I notice a big difference when I stack dex vs when I don’t. When you get to a higher level with your gear, it’s a big deal for where you can squeeze out extra stats. I play with lots of different monks with all sorts of different high end gear and I definitely notice the difference between the types that have silver hide wristband gear vs woven vine wristband gear.

When you cheap out with a silver hide wristband now you’re sacrificing other stats as well. Woven vine wristband isn’t only for its dex but it also has great all around offensive stats.

Woven vine wristband has the 3rd best str/dex combo for any monk wrist item and it’s the only droppable in that range. Highest dex.

Compare that to cloak of confusion which is monks 3rd best back item and costs 55k. Not even tradeable/liquid. Also compare to a wrist guard of thunder which arguably doesn’t have as good offensive stats and goes for well over 100k.

Undervalue the item if you want but I think it’s rightfully near it’s 30k range considering how rare it is and how many classes could use it. Like I said, I use it on my shammy for proccing and I’m sure other classes can use it as well.