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[smitho1984]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, "conceding" doesn't work in a 3+ guild environment. A/A can just concede the next 2-4 of whatever when they screw up because the other guild will accept that with 99.9% certainty they will be killing said mob on the next 2-4 cycles. If Awakened concedes Feshlak, what the fuck does that do for CSG? Tell me the odds of CSG killing even one of the next 2-4 Feshlaks that Aftermath know Awakened has conceded.
No, thats right, I thought so.

You have the biggest guild on the server.. combine already and step up. Quit playing this meak "we cant compete mentality", its getting old at this point. Play like you have a set of balls, it's sad they call you a leader.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by smitho1984 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have the biggest guild on the server.. combine already and step up. Quit playing this meak "we cant compete mentality", its getting old at this point. Play like you have a set of balls, it's sad they call you a leader.

Its not that we "can't" compete - its that we won't, especially in the current envronment. We just want to be left alone killing a cpl of targets from time to time in a casual EQ setting.
And you should know that its not about 150 warm bodies, its about 10 people willing to dedicate a lot more time to the game than what we can expect across a couple of casual guilds.

[Batso]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its not that we "can't" compete - its that we won't, especially in the current envronment. We just want to be left alone killing a cpl of targets from time to time in a casual EQ setting.
And you should know that its not about 150 warm bodies, its about 10 people willing to dedicate a lot more time to the game than what we can expect across a couple of casual guilds.

Why is your team special?

[Tura]

Originally Posted by smitho1984 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have the biggest guild on the server.. combine already and step up. Quit playing this meak "we cant compete mentality", its getting old at this point. Play like you have a set of balls, it's sad they call you a leader.

this.

Really tired of the 'big bad wolf' mentality when your raid force is more than capable of competing. Somehow either that mentality has been ingrained upon the staff or they have alts/friends/favorites there.

Bi weekly quakes make windows that much easier to track and manage now. CSG could easily compete if they chose to. Hell, Paradigm Shift is learning shit on their own and doing quite well. We try to give space for that where we can. A good example would be the triples that we left alone last week.

Before you make the tired 'we dont like staring at walls like u a/a nerds' comment, understand that with a raid force your size, you could easily split tracking/fte duties between your people. Then instead of laying on the ground complaining about the raid scene, you could gain some much needed respect from a/a and actually compete!

Healthy competition is good for p99 - something I really wish the staff here would see more clearly.

[Teako]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, "conceding" doesn't work in a 3+ guild environment. A/A can just concede the next 2-4 of whatever when they screw up because the other guild will accept that with 99.9% certainty they will be killing said mob on the next 2-4 cycles. If Awakened concedes Feshlak, what the fuck does that do for CSG? Tell me the odds of CSG killing even one of the next 2-4 Feshlaks that Aftermath know Awakened has conceded.
No, thats right, I thought so.

I'm not sure what exactly you're wanting in return. Should they give you mobs not relevant to the one in question in turn for wronging you? Are you expecting an entirely different guild to concede it to you as well?

It seems that in this situation you've set it to up to be an unwinnable situation for negotiation. You don't accept concessions because the other guild will kill it because "3 way environment" - but there is no other way forward other than concessions in attempts to work things out with other guilds.

Are you wanting both Aftermath, and Awakened to concede targets to you if one guild does something wrong? What exactly are you wanting as an outcome/solution?

[bspa0700]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, "conceding" doesn't work in a 3+ guild environment. A/A can just concede the next 2-4 of whatever when they screw up because the other guild will accept that with 99.9% certainty they will be killing said mob on the next 2-4 cycles. If Awakened concedes Feshlak, what the fuck does that do for CSG? Tell me the odds of CSG killing even one of the next 2-4 Feshlaks that Aftermath know Awakened has conceded.
No, thats right, I thought so.

Sorry Culk but this is where you have to accept some responsibility. If your guild is not capable or lacks the desire to track/mobilize/execute, then that is on you. If a guild concedes, that doesn't mean you get the zone to yourself -- it means that the offending guild does not compete.

This point seems to me to be the part where the communication process breaks down.

Your entire argument revolves around the concept that you should be given freedom to play at your own pace, because you lose any competitive race (which isn't your fault).

[Check12345]

So on the day this went down, did Culk ask AW to leave ToV?

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Check12345 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So on the day this went down, did Culk ask AW to leave ToV?

Culk wasn't around that day, but its a question been raised many times in the past, both in conversations with leadership and staff, and also on 1-2-1 basis, though not with Eratani to be fair to him.

[Check12345]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Culk wasn't around that day, but its a question been raised many times in the past, both in conversations with leadership and staff, and also on 1-2-1 basis, though not with Eratani to be fair to him.

So there was nothing else AW could have done for this incident then?

I’m just baffled why a ‘let’s get them suspended’ petition went in other than spite.

Well they sure showed us!

Jeepers Scoob!

[Legday]

Originally Posted by Check12345 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So there was nothing else AW could have done for this incident then?

I’m just baffled why a ‘let’s get them suspended’ petition went in other than spite.

Well they sure showed us!

Jeepers Scoob!

I think CSG actually thought petitions lead to ice cream parties, so not sure if you're serious or not.