Best Server Community Sin--Wait, Nevermind

[Odeseus]

The OP returns! Basically, instead of writing a wall of text, I simply have a question (or series of questions, if you will).

How did you come to the decision that the actions taken at that point in time were reprehensible? I would like to know if you thought about it at any great length or if the situation just felt wrong to you. And based on this, how did you come to the decision to post the situation on the forums? And a side question, how did you form your own moral view from the situation? And do you think that your moral judgments in this situation may have been wrong?

You basically came into this spitting hellfire and 100% secure in your judgment of what was just and unjust in the situation. I am just curious how you came to this conclusion, and how you are so steadfast in your opinion on the matter.

[Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Odeseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The OP returns! Basically, instead of writing a wall of text, I simply have a question (or series of questions, if you will).

How did you come to the decision that the actions taken at that point in time were reprehensible? I would like to know if you thought about it at any great length or if the situation just felt wrong to you. And based on this, how did you come to the decision to post the situation on the forums? And a side question, how did you form your own moral view from the situation? And do you think that your moral judgments in this situation may have been wrong?

You basically came into this spitting hellfire and 100% secure in your judgment of what was just and unjust in the situation. I am just curious how you came to this conclusion, and how you are so steadfast in your opinion on the matter.

inb4 overly grandiose reply from OP about the fading morality in the MMO culture of today.

[Doubleplus]

i think we should shit all over everyone, everywhere till everything degrades into complete state of madness

the people who care will be nerds
the people who don't will be cool

: D

[maegi]

I"m not getting any life readings on the tricorder Jim

[Darian]

Originally Posted by Phragmar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EDIT 2-24-11: It looks to me like this thread has outlived its ability to generate meaningful conversation or rational debate, and instead descended perhaps irretrievably to the point at which the bulk of the responses are flames or insults--yes, by Vesica Dei members, among others. As much as I think the discussion itself is meaningful and timely, I fear moderating this thread in the future would demand more work than someone is willing to dedicate, so I have to recommend at this point that it be closed or moved, possibly both.

If you call a guild out for misconduct and/or your own personal opinion of what's right/wrong/unjust, that guild will respond if they know their members haven't done anything wrong.

This thread = you either understand why people aren't allowed to hold camps when they die while camping a mob, or you don't.

[maegi]

Don't sweat it Phrag, most of us have seen enough to know that your original point was made, in your first post. You might not want to use words with more than three syllables though for future reference, consider the source of whom you are addressing here for fuck's sake. They all googled or assumed they knew what you meant. I know it and you know it too, so let's just laugh and concede that some good people play here and agreed with your point. Other's have the right to live their lives according to server rules without letting human compassion or caring about another person ever enter into the scenario. What is Everquest after all? A time sink to obtain cool loot and advance your experience bar. Never mind the real people that are on the other side of every toon you encounter in said MMORPG. they don't count man, it's all about YOU. You know who you are too, so stfu and go get more loot by any means necessary.

[Phragmar]

Originally Posted by maegi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't sweat it Phrag, most of us have seen enough to know that your original point was made, in your first post. You might not want to use words with more than three syllables though for future reference, consider the source of whom you are addressing here for fuck's sake. They all googled or assumed they knew what you meant. I know it and you know it too, so let's just laugh and concede that some good people play here and agreed with your point. Other's have the right to live their lives according to server rules without letting human compassion or caring about another person ever enter into the scenario. What is Everquest after all? A time sink to obtain cool loot and advance your experience bar. Never mind the real people that are on the other side of every toon you encounter in said MMORPG. they don't count man, it's all about YOU. You know who you are too, so stfu and go get more loot by any means necessary.

... Couldn't have said it better.

/thread

[Odeseus]

I want to know because as Humor has said, many of us are philosophizing. I want to know how you came to your conclusions because your entire position (and the VAST majority of this thread) is based on what you believe to be just or unjust. Many people have read the situation and have agreed with your position, others have disagreed. I find it easier to ask one specific person (whom I know has an opinion) instead of asking everyone. When I ask everyone, I rarely get an actual response.

Along those same lines, I tend to use extremes and/or colorful language that may or may not aid in my argument. But I have found that using cold, hard logic almost never results in a response. I have to liven it up a bit so someone will actually bite.

I personally would side with Yendor on this particular topic. Mainly because I believe that a wipe removes your claim to a camp. But I am not all that confident in this position, because I can see how annoying it would be from the chanters perspective. Been there all day, got back to the zone at great expense and in a relatively timely manner only to find the camp taken. But the fact remains that no one forced him to die and give up his claim to the camp, he did that himself.

I come to this because I know that AC is a competitive camp at times, so I cannot expect others NOT to take the camp while I am gone. I was also raised to own up to your mistakes and not run from them. Since the mistake would have been mine (if I had wiped), I must own that and not blame the people who by no fault of their own profited by my mistake. However, I also try to treat people as I would like to be treated, which makes my confidence in my position a bit on the shaky side.

But then again, I know that I cannot be too nice or else everyone would begin to tell me a sob story to take whatever camp I am at, simply because they know I would believe them. And finally, since I am not at all confident in my position, I would refer to the rules as a last resort to give myself some sort of guidance. The rules side with Yendor's position, but they are not the be-all-end-all. But since I was already leaning in that direction, it gives me a bit more confidence in my position.

That is how I worked through the situation (it is not hard to do). I had the advantage of time and space, which gives me a vastly different perspective. So I would like to know how you worked through it at that moment. There may be something in your explanation that will convince me of the error of my ways. Or I could see the flaw in it and point it out to you, hoping that you can see the error and change your mind. Or I could see that we will never see eye-to-eye, for whatever reason, and we can agree to disagree. In any respect, this will put the issue to bed (at least for me) and I can leave you alone, my curiosity being sated.

[Pico]

That's some pretty smug shit right there.

heh i'm going to teach these plebs a thing or two about mmo morals
*drags an entire guild's name through the mud over an incident that i wasn't involved in*

[Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Pico [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's some pretty smug shit right there.

That's pretty much all I see when I read certain posts in this thread.

"Look at me guys, I use semicolons and uncommon words for effect!"

I can't wait for the next time someone steals an orc pawn kill and ninjas a rusty battle axe so we can have round two of this thread.