@Sirken "a fair and legitimate chance at that target"

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by Pizoi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Current rules are fine and fair. If the staff wants the smaller guilds to get more loot, all they need to do is do more quakes.

You can't come to the big boys with a tin cup in your filthy hands and expect us to just start giving away top raid targets. It takes a lot of effort to be a top raiding guild, it's absurd to expect some sort of even split of mobs or bag limit while only putting in 10% (being generous here) of the effort that we do.

Holy shit, it's a Pizoi

[wrighter00]

Originally Posted by Pizoi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Current rules are fine and fair. If the staff wants the smaller guilds to get more loot, all they need to do is do more quakes.

You can't come to the big boys with a tin cup in your filthy hands and expect us to just start giving away top raid targets. It takes a lot of effort to be a top raiding guild, it's absurd to expect some sort of even split of mobs or bag limit while only putting in 10% (being generous here) of the effort that we do.

I mean... What exactly do you think you put effort into other than FTE races? Did you buy into the exclusive rights to the program coding for ownership of these mobs? In a scenario where FTE races aren't occurring like some people are suggesting, what effort do you think you're putting in? By the basics of the mechanics of the raid targets themselves, you do nothing more capable than any other guild/alliance. STAHP with the "how great are we tho!' No one is telling you to sit at a race line or track targets for an absurd amount of time, bat phone, and feel pressured to mobilize asap except yourselves. That's the whole point some people are making. You don't have to do that so it's a moot point.

Honestly, who gives a hoot if multiple guilds want to work together. Some guilds who want to compete, but wont play on a PvP server, are killing any chance of pick up raid activity or togetherness on a PvE server. You're debating FTE rules, and that's it. Just let people help each other in peace and stop trying to force them to hate and screw each other over or forfeit mobs. Just let the mob go.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by wrighter00 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean... What exactly do you think you put effort into other than FTE races? Did you buy into the exclusive rights to the program coding for ownership of these mobs? In a scenario where FTE races aren't occurring like some people are suggesting, what effort do you think you're putting in? By the basics of the mechanics of the raid targets themselves, you do nothing more capable than any other guild/alliance. STAHP with the "how great are we tho!' No one is telling you to sit at a race line or track targets for an absurd amount of time, bat phone, and feel pressured to mobilize asap except yourselves. That's the whole point some people are making. You don't have to do that so it's a moot point.

Honestly, who gives a hoot if multiple guilds want to work together. Some guilds who want to compete, but wont play on a PvP server, are killing any chance of pick up raid activity or togetherness on a PvE server. You're debating FTE rules, and that's it. Just let people help each other in peace and stop trying to force them to hate and screw each other over or forfeit mobs. Just let the mob go.

If the mechanics of an encounter are all you ever have to worry about then what would be the point? Killing something that isn't contested is nothing special. I don't play on phinny because just experiencing the content isn't the point. If all you're interested in is doing something you did 15 years ago again for the feels then there are plenty of servers where you don't need to compete to do that.

There were some rotations on live but most of them weren't inclusive to the entire server either. I know on xev for instance Ntov went to whoever killed aary, which meant you had 3-4 guilds racing to kill aary. While it wasn't an FTE race it was still a race and a competition.

On P99 being able to beat the mechanics of an encounter is 10% of the battle, securing the mob is the real fight.

[wrighter00]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the mechanics of an encounter are all you ever have to worry about then what would be the point? Killing something that isn't contested is nothing special. I don't play on phinny because just experiencing the content isn't the point. If all you're interested in is doing something you did 15 years ago again for the feels then there are plenty of servers where you don't need to compete to do that.

There were some rotations on live but most of them weren't inclusive to the entire server either. I know on xev for instance Ntov went to whoever killed aary, which meant you had 3-4 guilds racing to kill aary. While it wasn't an FTE race it was still a race and a competition.

On P99 being able to beat the mechanics of an encounter is 10% of the battle, securing the mob is the real fight.

Not raiding. That sounds like the First person shooter crowd mentality. You're saying the raid itself doesn't matter, and asking me what's the point of playing? I'm actually stumped... Just wow.

I guess we can relate a little bit. Although I never played live during this Era, (hence being here) I've been on this server no more than 2 years, and took a 5 month hiatus. There is very little my Druid needs other than obsessing over minor stat changes and maybe a Flowing thought item from CT. On the same note, what's the point of racing people for raid targets? I don't gain any satisfaction from that whatsoever. /shrug

In the words of Ace Ventura "Of course. How selfish of me. Let's do all the things that you wanna do"
https://youtu.be/-EJ6PeVnzCk

[Fasttimes]

Originally Posted by wrighter00 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not raiding. That sounds like the First person shooter crowd mentality. You're saying the raid itself doesn't matter, and asking me what's the point of playing? I'm actually stumped... Just wow.

I guess we can relate a little bit. Although I never played live during this Era, (hence being here) I've been on this server no more than 2 years, and took a 5 month hiatus. There is very little my Druid needs other than obsessing over minor stat changes and maybe a Flowing thought item from CT. On the same note, what's the point of racing people for raid targets? I don't gain any satisfaction from that whatsoever. /shrug

In the words of Ace Ventura "Of course. How selfish of me. Let's do all the things that you wanna do"
https://youtu.be/-EJ6PeVnzCk

i think the point you miss that raiding isn't what they want it to be, that is to help the underdog, so is the hour leeway. If it was like it was at release. None of us would get near the pixels we get now. I was on both sides of the river.

edit: before you think i love to race. that would be a joke. I think its dumb. But to ignore the fact that this is better then it was is dumb too. Im not here to fix it tho so w/e.

[Pizoi]

Originally Posted by wrighter00 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On the same note, what's the point of racing people for raid targets? I don't gain any satisfaction from that whatsoever. /shrug

Have you done it? It's quite fun and satisfying getting that yellow text!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P2b_ygxIRY

[Skew]

Steamrolling 16 yr old content with twice the numbers necessary gets old very fast. If we ever completely did away with FFA id hope we could code raid limits as part of the custom content. EQ was always about being a try-hard. Its not changed. Effort in = reward out.

[wrighter00]

Originally Posted by Skew [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Steamrolling 16 yr old content with twice the numbers necessary gets old very fast. If we ever completely did away with FFA id hope we could code raid limits as part of the custom content. EQ was always about being a try-hard. Its not changed. Effort in = reward out.

I don't think it's horrid by any means. I just came here to share my thoughts like everyone else. Some people are a bit extreme for what it's all worth.

[toastyoven]

All I read from OP is "I want the mobs, but I don't have the skill or patience. So just give me it on a platter"

[Tankdan]

Originally Posted by toastyoven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I read from OP is "I want the mobs, but I don't have the skill or patience. So just give me it on a platter"

Skill and patience.. Thats what you call it?