Aftermath eating a full 10 days raid suspension

[Gimp]

VP rules weren't player made, they've been GM enforced for a year or so.

Again, if what I did wasn't legit, he's saying every repop PD was against his tracker FTE rules. So he's either going to rule the way he always has in terms of repop races (no rules broken) or he's going to completely go against his established precedent and rule against it. We'll find out Friday. I have a feeling precedent will win out, as it should.

As far as a "stall", maybe you jerks should have addressed that in the 6 hours of whatever the fuck y'all talked about. I was told it was brought up and nobody would agree on anything, so this kinda stuff will inevitably happen.

Feel free to continue berging, it's keeping me busy at work at least.

PS, I drink Miller. Fuck Bud.

[VANVEM]

Originally Posted by Gimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VP rules weren't player made, they've been GM enforced for a year or so.

As far as a "stall", maybe you jerks should have addressed that in the 6 hours of whatever the fuck y'all talked about. I was told it was brought up and nobody would agree on anything, so this kinda stuff will inevitably happen.

So if it wasn't brought up, existing rules apply, pretty simple

If Pint and Detox really wanted to make things better they would not have pulled this Bullshit stunt to try and strong arm the rest of the server. If that was truly their intention they should have brought this up and it would have prompted a discussion about it, instead they were vague and tried to be cute. You guys broke the rules, period.

[FatMice]

Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if it wasn't brought up, existing rules apply, pretty simple

If Pint and Detox really wanted to make things better they would not have pulled this Bullshit stunt to try and strong arm the rest of the server. If that was truly their intention they should have brought this up and it would have prompted a discussion about it, instead they were vague and tried to be cute. You guys broke the rules, period.

Dude drop the bullshit and read Pints post. He, us, we want to work on making this server better; all while pushing the edge of content and approach. This week's earthquake was done with vague FTE rules on Statue and KT. All we are saying it make the rules direct, to the point, and clear. Until then, with everything in this world when shit is left open to interpretation there will be strong opinions from different perspectives.

[VANVEM]

Originally Posted by FatMice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude drop the bullshit and read Pints post. He, us, we want to work on making this server better; all while pushing the edge of content and approach. This week's earthquake was done with vague FTE rules on Statue and KT. All we are saying it make the rules direct, to the point, and clear. Until then, with everything in this world when shit is left open to interpretation there will be strong opinions from different perspectives.

Dude, I have read his post, and to a certain extent i believe he has intentions that benefit everybody, differently, but still everybody. Cool! Kudos!!!

That Does not change the fact the the server rules were broke, intentionally!

Do I really think you guys should get a 10 day suspension, probably not, but you should be suspended and not just from one mob, Deliberately breaking the rules for spite, breaking the spirit of the rule? lets say Pint gets what he wants and we all live to a happy ending, well then consider yourself martyrs, who cares you deserved to be punished

[FatMice]

Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That Does not change the fact the the server rules were broke, intentionally!

As I am sure you are aware, but clearly are purposefully forgetting, Sirken was made aware of what happen by many officers in real time, from Aftermath, CSG, and hell I bet Awakened even asked what happen in regard to Kael on the earthquake.

Sirken, our head GM, made a ruling.

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[FatMice]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's the thing about this and I might have to break it down so you can understand. You can find a loophole in every single raid rule that is ever placed forth.The fact that you openly called out the loophole, said you would not be using it, used it, then went back and said you are using it to point it out and make the raid scene better; makes you the asshole. You're making it worse by finding something in every rule you can take advantage of. You are this issue, if you abuse or find a loophole in every raid rule that is set, you might as well make it no rules.

Yes, Detoxx and Pint illuminated the holes in the current rule set and subsequently told you how we will operate under the current rules. While you're not surprised, you are pissed off because we acted without what we believe the rules state. Until a GM changes the rules, and makes it so we can't do it, we will continue to do so, as every high-end raiding guild does in any game.

Also in regard to Detoxx said we would give 1 hour.... I think you're in Awakened... so as stated by your guild rep....

If it's a temporary fix that's fine. But no one guild should be determining what is an inordinate amount of time to engage these raid mobs. Each guild will need varying amounts of clear, and prep time. Plus this is a rather unique opportunity for several guilds who haven't stepped too much into the Velious raid scene, I don't think allowing them to wait out an engage on Statue for a more prime time slot to have their best attendance on AoW is the end of the world.

Directly disagreeing with the time limit.

Detoxx directly after:

Well at this rate, every guild is going to do whatever they want since no one can come to simple agreements here. Cant wait for this meeting on Sunday....

If you can't read everything I'll reiterate; this what people do to try to get an edge over the competition. It happens in real life as it does in video games.

More importantly Nemce is correct, and I hope that this earthquake can show the flaws in the current rules.

[Gimp]

This is what happens when rulesets are too vague. I tried to tell y'all this kinda shit would happen.

[Cochonou]

Originally Posted by Gimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is what happens when rulesets are too vague. I tried to tell y'all this kinda shit would happen.

Prove it

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by Cochonou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prove it

Been telling all my old Ramppals that I talk to that this was gonna be a mess after the "summit", feel free to ask em.

[Gimp]

A batphone for anon accounts must have gone out. Phil's been MIA for a hot minute