the server, loot and the way things are

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Stefen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is saying you've killed nagafen under those circumstance really something you'd want to celebrate?

Everytime I kill a raid mob in Everquest I celebrate by running around my house fist pumping for 20 minutes.

[Rhambuk]

da can't raid for a week, and if you miss even one cycle of gods/dragons then whats the point of playing? Might as well just quit...

[Molitoth]

If this turns into a flamewar, i will simply stop posting here, but I will have general conversation if this stays civil.

Originally Posted by Stefen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No offense, Molitoth, but everything you just said can be summed up in three words - "We sold out".

Yes we did, and it was the best decision we could've made. We've been having fun killing end game dragons for months now, instead of stuck in the same hate/fear grinds a lot of guilds are. Continued....

You accept that this server will never have a healthy raid environment while guilds are zerg recruiting. Instead of working on a solution, you sacrificed your ideal play style to help perpetuate the problem.

There were many solutions discussed on these forums over the past year, all getting shot down and made fun of. Personally I think the best solution would be instanced planes. This gives any raid force a chance at raiding when they want to. Is it "carebear"? yes. Is it classic? no. But would it solve the problem? yes.
We have 50% of the people bitching that they can never raid anything due to the powerguilds and then you have 50% of the people saying that they enjoy the "race" or "competition" for a target. These GM's cannot please everyone, and when everyone is already torn in half, this doesn't leave much room for them to put in a solution. Instances are not going to happen.
Rotation will bore the shit out of most IB/DA/Divinty members and you're going to get a bunch of members quitting left and right. You know how long a rotation would be on this server? You can make a guild of 20 people and kill anything outside of Plane of Sky.

If you enjoy a challenge, tell me, what exactly is the appeal of raiding with DA? 50+ people wiping to content that three groups can do, and now you've been exposed as using illegal third party programs to facilitate your mobilization. Is saying you've killed nagafen under those circumstance really something you'd want to celebrate?

You have to understand that DA and IB's goals are to kill shit. People join these guilds because they get sick of clearing fear and hate trash over and over again. If these people don't go to DA, then they go to IB... and vice versa. DA could close recruitment, and turn everyone away that applies, but what will happen is all of the people will go to IB and eventually we will have burnout with people quitting and find ourselves without the members to compete with IB for boss kills. Is it more fun to kill bosses with less people? yes. You have to remember this game came out in 1999. Nothing is new here. I enjoy DA because of the hilarious people in the guild, and the mentality we go by. DA really isn't as bad as some people say they are. We get a bad rep because we kill all the bosses and have great mobilization. Haters are gonna hate. Does it have an unknown bad seed or two? yes, just like any guild, and trust us... this hurts us more than it helps us.

As expected, we know that what the cheater in our guild did is going to hurt our reputation as a whole and that is why we want no part in cheating. We are glad he is banned, and are glad that the GM's are taking action, because this was not just taking place in DA. It's taking place around the server, and it needs to stop. It's a shot to the face against all the trackers who actually sit there and mash thier track button like total losers.

Anyway, there is my take.

[Wrei]

I love it when people debate about "skill" in EQ... Yes the game is old, yes there's thousands of web resources on any encounter, yes the game is not as micro intensive as some of the latest mmo. Yet despite how EASY it is to play EQ, the average player in p99 is a complete epic failure at playing EFFICIENTLY never mind being a decent raider.

So why is that? Fact is that most of them don't bother doing research on the most basic things and we witness the following:

1. Mmm i didn't buy that spell, didn't realize we could do that.
2. Umm... how do i get to you guys? I don't know the zone.
3. Ummm how do i get to the zone? I'm in EC and don't know the way to there.
4. Can you give me str,dex,agi,ac,every resist,ultravision,levitate before i fight?
5. I will buff you str,dex,agi,ac,every resist and be at 10m before pulls.
6. I'm an FD class but don't know how to pull, oh wait i don't even know the zone so i really don't even know where to pull from.
7. Assist? Wat? Dude it was beating on the cleric so i hit the mezzed target, chill and re-mez it.
8. Assist? Wat Wut? Dude the MT keeps flipping target every 2 sec and i cannot even read group chat to stay on 1 mob.
9. Hi, i like to keep auto attacking to death on a mob that has a DS on it. OMG i died @#$@$@# healers.
10. Hi, i like to stand around melee mobs that are rooted even though they tell me to move. Dude i need to cap my defense rating chill.
11. Remember this is just a game, so what you waited an hour before you formed up a party to go in. So what you spent 15min invising to camp, so what 1 of the r tards got lost because they went ninja afk, so what we're finally in camp and the r tard pulls 3 caster mob and group wipes, so what that half of the group goes afk while doing CR. This is a GAME chill! Cause i like wasting time.
12. Hi, i don't understand why i can't nuke immediately when we have a war for a tank.
13. Mob is beating on me, get it off! Wat's root? Dude I'm a cleric! I don't mem shit like root, i got gate memmed so i can rez you guys after we wipe.
14. Loc? sorry I don't know how to use Loc, can you come get me?
15. Mmmm don't know where i died, it should be around there. Lol what you want me to hit loc before i die? Why?
16. Dude i'm a mage, be glad i'm sending pet on a mob. You want me to what? keep up a ds? actually nuke? hit an assist macro so i'm on right mob? Visually see that my pet is on right mob in case assist got flipped? WTF is wrong with you, let me watch tv in the background. FYI my pet can tank and kill these just fine, the fact the tank will get beat on for another 30 sec and make the healer waste 4 heals is irrelevant.

I could go on forever... you've all seen these players. Now here's the funnier part they end up 46+. Then we witness the following in raids.

1. Umm sorry i got lost where are you guys? Can you come get me even though I've been in hate and fear 94 times already but still don't know my way.
2. Stop yelling at me 8 times, I know my pet keeps breaking mezzes but i choose not to send it on right target because that's how I roll. If we had a zerg force of 50 players it wouldn't matter if i broke mez so get more players kk.
3. Hi i like to afk 95% of the time while we're raiding. You need something specific like me attacking, sending pet, buffing then send me a tell otherwise i won't do shit.
4. Ummm what do you mean cancel my comp heal? Dude tank was dying! Wut do you mean other clerics are also comp healing?
5. Hi, I like to keep remezzing the same mob every 10 sec cause you know mobs can break before mez duration.
6. What I gotta wait for a tank to break mez? Why's that.
7. Umm guys I lost my pet and don't know where it went. Not even sure when I lost my pet lol. Oh there he is, he brought some friends.

Now the really hilarious part. Every guild on p99 except those that profess on being casual says the same shit on their website.

1. We are dedicated
2. We know wtf we're doing
3. We got a strong core
4. We pew pew stuff, don't you want phat loot
5. We don't know what drama is

So scrub player A hits 46+. The kind that never in a million years would make the cut in any self respecting raiding guild is now being humped by 8+ guilds. DA has shown the way. They are on top of the food chain because they were the first to mass invite half the server. Every other raiding guild joined the mass invite bandwagon afterwards.

1. Hey, we're awesome you want to join our guild?
2. Hey, we need your class, you'll get phat loot and don't need to do squat.

Then these scrubs act all high and mighty. Kind of like 10 butt ugly chick getting constantly hit on by 80 + horny boys. It doesn't matter how ugly they are, apparently as long as you have boobs and a hole it's all good (sorry for the terribly crude analogy).

So yes, it may not look like much but it does take skill to play this game. It's sad when the so called top end raiding guilds all have to go down on their knees to recruit the shittiest players the server has to offer. Seriously, I may no longer be killing dragons at this time but at least I don't have to put up with that anymore.

On a side note, I have NOTHING against casual gamers. We all have different ways to enjoy EQ. My way of fun may not be yours. That being said, don't @#$@$@# apply to a top end raiding guild and call yourself a raider when you're not going to dedicate on becoming a better player. Past playing experience means nothing, so what you were a scrub in a former uber guild. I've witnessed new players who are already above average and end up being great at the game. It's all about how they approach the game. I just hate the posers who say all the right things but end up doing nothing. The worst are when those posers join a zerg guild and talk so much smack on the forums...

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

da can't raid for a week, and if you miss even one cycle of gods/dragons then whats the point of playing? Might as well just quit...

It's funny that Divinity is here bashing DA when as a whole, DA members respect Divinity and just worked a rotation out with them on a particular mob.

[quellren]

Damn Wrei. I've accepted I'm a fairly misanthropic person at times, but you make me look like I have sunshine and rainbows shooting out of my ass.

Shit, wait. I'm doing it wrong:
UMadBro?

Seriously. Step back and take a deep breath. Have you tried explaining to them what they're doing wrong?

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Molitoth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's funny that Divinity is here bashing DA when as a whole, DA members respect Divinity and just worked a rotation out with them on a particular mob.

This is true, I have no ill feelings towards DA as a whole. I was just being a smartass towards this one guy who claims he has to be super hardcore or the game isn't fun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Wrei]

I was just stating all the things we know to be true but won't come out and say it. To answer your question, my post was not directed at the casual players in general. It was directed at the casual players talking a big game to get into a raiding guild. As for telling them what to do, you do that to applicants when they make mistakes. In pugs, people are generally not receptive when a stranger tells them what to do (even in the most diplomatic tone).

PS: I'm not mad, sorry for telling things as it is.

[Ponden]

Originally Posted by Molitoth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's funny that Divinity is here bashing DA when as a whole, DA members respect Divinity and just worked a rotation out with them on a particular mob.

NOOOOOOOOBLE!

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Ponden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NOOOOOOOOBLE!

yes both guilds were waiting on noble to spawn, we each had the 1 week timer and instead of fighting over it every week we decided to rotate it on a weekly basis, we had got i the week before so da got the noble of the night after we made a deal to rotate.

imo this is far better than having both guilds convene an hour before hes due, sky mobs are not on a variance, and sit half their raid on the spawn point then argue for an hour over who agrod first and who tried to ks whom.