The Common Man's NToV Raid Rules Thread

[Rararboker]

West is usually farmed by divinity. HoT can support 2 guilds farming armor drops. Its usslly first come, first serve. See previous post for ntov.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogean came from a competitive raid scene server, he sets the rules, Sirken merely enforces his wishes. Rogean has no interest in a "first in force" rule set so he'd never decree it. The only work around to this would be if all the guilds got together and agreed on a rule set, however I don't see Rampage hamstringing their pixel intake unnecessarily for the good of the server.

Arn't they the only ones to bow out of a fight after a training?

Pretty sure Hokushin was part of the creation of that rule and so far the only one to adhere to it...twice.

[JboxCSU]

It really does come down to the big ass guilds agreeing to FiF...because the current rule set is heavily in their favor. They have the ability and infrastructure to bounce all over the place and FTE anything they want.

This new system allows < small family guild of stalwart adventurers > to lay claim to a statue spawn that they normally wouldn't have a prayer of attempting.

I think it's the best answer though.

[dafier]

Originally Posted by Rararboker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

West is usually farmed by divinity. HoT can support 2 guilds farming armor drops. Its usslly first come, first serve. See previous post for ntov.

Trust me when I say, "I'm not throwing shit at your comment by saying..."

HoT can support 2 guilds? Maybe Div and As. BDA alone wreck that place. We've proved it several times only to have what footballers call a certain foul; encroachment, occur on multiple occasions.

WHICH also includes KSing, and other shenanigans.

[am0n]

Originally Posted by JboxCSU [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It really does come down to the big ass guilds agreeing to FiF...because the current rule set is heavily in their favor. They have the ability and infrastructure to bounce all over the place and FTE anything they want.

This new system allows < small family guild of stalwart adventurers > to lay claim to a statue spawn that they normally wouldn't have a prayer of attempting.

I think it's the best answer though.

I agree with this. It forces the big guilds to start figuring out what spawns are most important to them and gives more people a chance at participating by staking claims in mobs they desire.

Again, though, without GM intervention (and a force large enough to be there mostly when needed), I don't think we'll see it. We can already see how the leaders of some of the big guilds have responded to the idea, so there is zero chance they'd agree to a gentleman's agreement.

[Rararboker]

Well the big problem is that the orinal thread was to discuss not pulling mobs from one wing to another. Everything else is a discussion for another thread (which raid leaders can start) and doesnt really belong in that officer thread. It acts as a distraction from the current issue.

[dafier]

Let me clarify encroachment:

BDA already in HoT. No one else there. (JUST AN EXAMPLE) Asgard shows up and starts pulling mobs that start spawning back to the point of peeling/KSing off BDA monks.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Arn't they the only ones to bow out of a fight after a training?

Pretty sure Hokushin was part of the creation of that rule and so far the only one to adhere to it...twice.

Well considering rampage goes after every single mob in NToV they have ample more opportunities to concede. BDA has 3 NToV kills, and maybe only 5 total attempts. The issue that we're currently having is a disagreement about what constitutes a train, and that's especially compounded when a guild sits at the bottleneck of the wing in an incredibly precarious position.

We (BDA) have pulled stuff to HoT (east) or the door in front of the ToV port in entrance. Taken has pulled stuff all the way to the west exit, Rampage pulls stuff up towards Mischief/Triplets. I'm not going to comment on Div because they weren't even there for dragons outside of West, they were merely farming trash that day. If Taken had communicated with Divinity that they were going to attempt an Aary pull Div probably wouldn't currently care. Forsakengard want to sit at a junction, demand you don't pull through their self imposed bottleneck, then claim train when mobs path back unaggroed.

[dafier]

Originally Posted by Rararboker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well the big problem is that the orinal thread was to discuss not pulling mobs from one wing to another. Everything else is a discussion for another thread (which raid leaders can start) and doesnt really belong in that officer thread. It acts as a distraction from the current issue.

Hence why this thread was made for non-officers to rant about.

You are correct. That thread is a mess because of mainly 2 guild leaders that are just provoking an argument instead of trying to find a fix.

They can use this thread to play the 'blame game' and point 'fingers' [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Rararboker]

Originally Posted by dafier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trust me when I say, "I'm not throwing shit at your comment by saying..."

HoT can support 2 guilds? Maybe Div and As. BDA alone wreck that place. We've proved it several times only to have what footballers call a certain foul; encroachment, occur on multiple occasions.

WHICH also includes KSing, and other shenanigans.

Divinity and asgard do fine when solo as well. Most guilds can, HOT isnt that hard. HK did with 18 people. Doesnt mean the area cant facilitate 2 groups. It just gets more cramped.