Way to go Shadowshrek - Azure Guard

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[Champion_Standing]

P99 is not America, guilty before proven innocent is how it works here. Just ask anyone who has been accused of boxing, they are asked to prove that they are not. Or anyone who got banned for RMT, they have to prove or ask the staff to prove that they didn't RMT etc etc etc.

TL;DR no due process on p99 for enemy combatants

[jarshale]

A guy was told by another guy who talked to a gm that said he didn't do it. What more proof do you need?

[tristantio]

The first day it happened, Eunomia said I had a very good case to have him banned for scamming, but that would result in no chance of retrieving the items (and having him banned wouldn't give me any special enjoyment, so I requested the petition against him that could result in a ban be removed).

As Guides do not have access to the item database (or apparently character inventories) the most Eunomia could do was look at the chacter log files, which she confirmed his receipt of the items, but could not confirm if he had them or did not have them (she said she "can't see" drop transfers, as they are not listed in the p99 log files in anyway).

From her messages, I inferred (incorrectly) that he must have drop transferred the items to someone in his Chardok group (and put up a call to action on my site).

To say I unfairly called out Shadowshrek? I don't believe so.

If I transfer for someone, I value their items more than my own. What bag of his (a shadowknight who can only afford 1 piece of darkforge/blood ember at a time) would have been worth more than a tink bag with fungi, blued 2h hammer, and fbss in it?

I believe Nemce/bktroost would have had as much confirmation on the true status of items (where they are) as I did, as manual item database queries are on a 6 month back queue.

Current status - Shadowshrek MIA in game for a week now, likely with the bag of items still on his person (or started over on a new alt somewhere).

I messaged him the morning after, politely asking for the items (before he had a chance to explain to his guild where they were) and mentioned I had requested my petition against him be removed.

His response, "OH LOOK A THIEF", "GO REFILE A PETITION".

Then he's been gone since (or maybe got a name change). /shrug

[Faited]

Originally Posted by tristantio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The first day it happened, Eunomia said I had a very good case to have him banned for scamming, but that would result in no chance of retrieving the items (and having him banned wouldn't give me any special enjoyment, so I requested the petition against him that could result in a ban be removed).

All anyone needs to know right there. If the GM said they got a good case then that means the accused is guilty no matter how you try to spin it or what kind of apologist you are. If the person getting scammed is an upstanding community member who even provides a valuable service to the community then by all means he/she should be able to use that platform to rally support.

The accuser's response to being asked about the items the next day is laughable & show's how scummy that person is.

[Merekai]

Originally Posted by Faited [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All anyone needs to know right there. If the GM said they got a good case then that means the accused is guilty no matter how you try to spin it or what kind of apologist you are. If the person getting scammed is an upstanding community member who even provides a valuable service to the community then by all means he/she should be able to use that platform to rally support.

The accuser's response to being asked about the items the next day is laughable & show's how scummy that person is.

Could things have been handled better by Shrek when he first logged on when his power was restored, sure. Do you have all the information that is pertinent to reaching the correct decision? No. This thread is a perfect example of GM's reaching a decision players don't agree with and/or do not understand. Do the players have all the information in a given situation? No. Do the GM's? Yes (or at the very least a lot more information than the players will).

Speculatron 9000 now online:

Nemce offered his fungi to the man after it was determined his bag poofed on a zone but he refused it publicly, then privately asked for it later because he secretly had his original fungi from the poofing bag reimbursed and therefore scammed AG in the end. Holy shit, this is easy! Note that I have zero information as to the validity of above actions but it sounds extremely plausible to me, and therefore probably true.

Chev

[tristantio]

Originally Posted by Merekai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Could things have been handled better by Shrek when he first logged on when his power was restored, sure. Do you have all the information that is pertinent to reaching the correct decision? No. This thread is a perfect example of GM's reaching a decision players don't agree with and/or do not understand. Do the players have all the information in a given situation? No. Do the GM's? Yes (or at the very least a lot more information than the players will).

Speculatron 9000 now online:

Nemce offered his fungi to the man after it was determined his bag poofed on a zone but he refused it publicly, then privately asked for it later because he secretly had his original fungi from the poofing bag reimbursed and therefore scammed AG in the end. Holy shit, this is easy! Note that I have zero information as to the validity of above actions but it sounds extremely plausible to me, and therefore probably true.

Chev

Chev, I think you're just being sarcastic, but there is a small degree of truth to what you say. In the initial public offering of the fungi I told Nemce/bktroost that I would pass - he PMed me saying when the adrenaline wears off, let him know if I would like one.

A day or so into double XP weekend, feeling an urge to get my 40 shaman who I was originally attempting to move my items to, I suggested to him via PM if he really never used the fungi, he could trade it to me, or not, not a big deal either way.

I then never got ahold of him to do anything with it - and no, I only wish GMs would make an exception and restore/move the items back for me, but according to Eunomia they never move items back (the most they'll do is ban an offender).

[Merekai]

Originally Posted by tristantio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chev, I think you're just being sarcastic, but there is a small degree of truth to what you say. In the initial public offering of the fungi I told Nemce/bktroost that I would pass - he PMed me saying when the adrenaline wears off, let him know if I would like one.

A day or so into double XP weekend, feeling an urge to get my 40 shaman who I was originally attempting to move my items to, I suggested to him via PM if he really never used the fungi, he could trade it to me, or not, not a big deal either way.

I then never got ahold of him to do anything with it - and no, I only wish GMs would make an exception and restore/move the items back for me, but according to Eunomia they never move items back (the most they'll do is ban an offender).

Yes I was being sarcastic and using the example of the fungi followed by some rampant speculation on my part to illustrate the hilarity of this thread. I wasn't trying to call anyone out :P

Chev

[WolfsongReborn]

Originally Posted by tristantio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chev, I think you're just being sarcastic, but there is a small degree of truth to what you say. In the initial public offering of the fungi I told Nemce/bktroost that I would pass - he PMed me saying when the adrenaline wears off, let him know if I would like one.

A day or so into double XP weekend, feeling an urge to get my 40 shaman who I was originally attempting to move my items to, I suggested to him via PM if he really never used the fungi, he could trade it to me, or not, not a big deal either way.

I then never got ahold of him to do anything with it - and no, I only wish GMs would make an exception and restore/move the items back for me, but according to Eunomia they never move items back (the most they'll do is ban an offender).

Plenty of time has passed for Shrek to have made another account and moved everything over to his new alt. This is why some classic things need to be moved aside for the good of everyone. We need shared banks. Badly.