RMT Again

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off thanks to the GM staff for their efforts to clean up the server.


Rogean: Without a list of the names involved this may mean little, but why does it seem the these waves get the middle men and the buyers and not the most important people in the process.



This guy even blames the buyers, sure the process takes both kinds, but the suppliers in the RMT schemes have to be coming from some of the Largets and most advanced on the server, trace the Items and plat back to these people and ban those accounts and we can get somewhere.

The suppliers have enough time to dedicate to this and other games required to build up the pixel wealth. The only way you build pixel wealth with the intent to sell for rl money is time invested. The sellers will have multiple accounts with pixel hoards. They will always be around as long as there is a demand. Ban the account. Doesn't matter. It will only be a matter of weeks/months before they have enough stockpiled to sell again.
If there was no demand for bought and sold pixels, there would be no one interested in stockpiling with the intent to sell. You punish everyone involved, including the sellers. That doesn't mean that RMT goes away. That is in the hands of the community.
In other words, RMT, and the bans that result from it, will always be with us.

[HalflingWarrior]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The suppliers have enough time to dedicate to this and other games required to build up the pixel wealth. The only way you build pixel wealth with the intent to sell for rl money is time invested. The sellers will have multiple accounts with pixel hoards. They will always be around as long as there is a demand. Ban the account. Doesn't matter. It will only be a matter of weeks/months before they have enough stockpiled to sell again.
If there was no demand for bought and sold pixels, there would be no one interested in stockpiling with the intent to sell. You punish everyone involved, including the sellers. That doesn't mean that RMT goes away. That is in the hands of the community.
In other words, RMT, and the bans that result from it, will always be with us.

Here's the problem dude:

The way the most valuable mobs (and therefore, drops) on the server are totally locked down there's only a set group of people (or guilds) that could possibly have the volume of items and platinum required to sustain such "vast demand."

Surely then, by your logic, the demand must far outweigh the supply. Therefore one can assume that the SUPPLIERS are in far fewer numbers than the BUYERS, which in turn leads us to the final question:

If the staff can "track down and identify 440 accounts involved with RMT" would it not be fair to assume that they should be able to track down these suppliers who are far fewer in number?

Browsing some of the RMT sites for fun after this banwave revealed one thing that was very obvious: Just 24 hours after the banwave hit, operations were restored to normal. This means that CLEARLY the supply chain was not hit in any way but instead the buyers received the most punishment; going so far as to BAN accounts that simply traded with and/or received platinum and/or items from RMTers in what SEEMED to be legitimate ingame trades.

TLDR: It just doesn't add up. If you can "track 440 accounts involved in RMT" then why can you not track the far fewer number of accounts that are SUPPLYING these RMTers? There can't be that many accounts / players that have 10s of millions of platinum and items banked who can just endlessly supply these large RMT websites with stock -- unless there's some kind of item/plat duping that's going on which is always a possibility as well!

[Stormfists]

Originally Posted by HalflingWarrior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they should be able to track down these suppliers who are far fewer in number!

They can and yet don't ... Aka: 9/11 false flag illuminati tupac Kennedy moon landing.

Beam me up!

[myriverse]

Pras!

[Eashan]

Good work brah, when's Velious coming I can't wait!!!

[girth]

Nobody should have to 'be weary' of who's plat they accept. Saw a comment about refusing people service/goods due to thinking they may have RMT'd. Let the GMs worry about that.

I was a level 1 monk with fungi, rbb, tstaff...w/o RMT. Don't tase me bro.

[Stormfists]

Originally Posted by girth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody should have to 'be weary' of who's plat they accept. Saw a comment about refusing people service/goods due to thinking they may have RMT'd. Let the GMs worry about that.

I was a level 1 monk with fungi, rbb, tstaff...w/o RMT. Don't tase me bro.

My lvl 1 rogue epic twink got banned with no RMT. Safe to say it clearly does matter where the money comes from bud. Essentially stolen goods is a crime even if you didn't steal it yourself. Ce la vie.

Hats off to all the work Rogean & Co are putting in.

[Duckwalk]

Or #wipeitclean2015.

And spend the next year and a half (of classic timeline) getting ready to release Velious.

[Formshifter]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or #wipeitclean2015.

And spend the next year and a half (of classic timeline) getting ready to release Velious.

[MaSQue]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or #wipeitclean2015.

And spend the next year and a half (of classic timeline) getting ready to release Velious.