RMT Again

[Stormfists]

Originally Posted by girth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody should have to 'be weary' of who's plat they accept. Saw a comment about refusing people service/goods due to thinking they may have RMT'd. Let the GMs worry about that.

I was a level 1 monk with fungi, rbb, tstaff...w/o RMT. Don't tase me bro.

My lvl 1 rogue epic twink got banned with no RMT. Safe to say it clearly does matter where the money comes from bud. Essentially stolen goods is a crime even if you didn't steal it yourself. Ce la vie.

Hats off to all the work Rogean & Co are putting in.

[VANVEM]

First off thanks to the GM staff for their efforts to clean up the server.


Rogean: Without a list of the names involved this may mean little, but why does it seem the these waves get the middle men and the buyers and not the most important people in the process.

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I empathize with RMTers to an extent. They want a leg up and a fast track to the end. I understand how getting a fungi tunic at the beginning of the game changes how you are able to play it. And I get the desire of being able to do that.

However try to remember what you are doing classic when you start here. Just enjoy your ride to the top. Don't try to skip it your first time coming back through classic and Kunark.

I don't have any sympathy for RMTers who got banned though.

Derubael would be sad to not be a part of these bannings. I know he loved smacking down RMTers.

This guy even blames the buyers, sure the process takes both kinds, but the suppliers in the RMT schemes have to be coming from some of the Largets and most advanced on the server, trace the Items and plat back to these people and ban those accounts and we can get somewhere.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off thanks to the GM staff for their efforts to clean up the server.


Rogean: Without a list of the names involved this may mean little, but why does it seem the these waves get the middle men and the buyers and not the most important people in the process.



This guy even blames the buyers, sure the process takes both kinds, but the suppliers in the RMT schemes have to be coming from some of the Largets and most advanced on the server, trace the Items and plat back to these people and ban those accounts and we can get somewhere.

If there wasnt a demand there would be no need for a supply.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off thanks to the GM staff for their efforts to clean up the server.


Rogean: Without a list of the names involved this may mean little, but why does it seem the these waves get the middle men and the buyers and not the most important people in the process.



This guy even blames the buyers, sure the process takes both kinds, but the suppliers in the RMT schemes have to be coming from some of the Largets and most advanced on the server, trace the Items and plat back to these people and ban those accounts and we can get somewhere.

The suppliers have enough time to dedicate to this and other games required to build up the pixel wealth. The only way you build pixel wealth with the intent to sell for rl money is time invested. The sellers will have multiple accounts with pixel hoards. They will always be around as long as there is a demand. Ban the account. Doesn't matter. It will only be a matter of weeks/months before they have enough stockpiled to sell again.
If there was no demand for bought and sold pixels, there would be no one interested in stockpiling with the intent to sell. You punish everyone involved, including the sellers. That doesn't mean that RMT goes away. That is in the hands of the community.
In other words, RMT, and the bans that result from it, will always be with us.

[VANVEM]

There will always, always, always be a demand. If there was no supply then the demand would just not be satisfied, but the problem would be resolved.

Also this is where the tinfoil hats get there ammunition to accuse the staff. Get rid of the power brokers and the entire server would be better served, get rid of the small potatoes and we have entertainment for one day

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There will always, always, always be a demand. If there was no supply then the demand would just not be satisfied, but the problem would be resolved.

Also this is where the tinfoil hats get there ammunition to accuse the staff. Get rid of the power brokers and the entire server would be better served, get rid of the small potatoes and we have entertainment for one day

So if a crack dealer moved into your neighborhood and started a fairly lucrative ring, do you think that the problem would go away after he got arrested?
The answer is no. There are now crack addicts living in your neighborhood. They want crack. They may get arrested, but they'll be back out. Then they will want more crack. There will always be a dealer for them as long as they want it. Someone else will move in once they realize there is a demand for their product.
Now, if everyone in your neighborhood decided that they were going to absolutely abstain from the crack, then the dealer would have just moved on and went somewhere else. The problem is both the dealer and the people buying. But the solution can only come from the people. Just stop buying!

[VANVEM]

Then the Crack dealer gets some other newbie hooked and we are back at it. No the best way to stop it, is to cut off the supply of the crack.

lets get away from the crack analogy, on P99 the RMT problem is a merry-go-round because the system allows it to exist. You want to stop it, then you have to start at the source. Track the big ticket items that a lot of these deals stem from, and Ban those accounts, and any other accounts logged on by that same PC.

But that may hit a few privileged folk around here, and we wouldn't want that now, would we?

If Rogean and staff wanted to solve a lot of the problems this server bitches and complains about, stop the RMT suppliers, and he would fix lot on the raiding scene as well.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then the Crack dealer gets some other newbie hooked and we are back at it. No the best way to stop it, is to cut off the supply of the crack.

lets get away from the crack analogy, on P99 the RMT problem is a merry-go-round because the system allows it to exist. You want to stop it, then you have to start at the source. Track the big ticket items that a lot of these deals stem from, and Ban those accounts, and any other accounts logged on by that same PC.

But that may hit a few privileged folk around here, and we wouldn't want that now, would we?

If Rogean and staff wanted to solve a lot of the problems this server bitches and complains about, stop the RMT suppliers, and he would fix lot on the raiding scene as well.

Your knowledge ended there.

[qinsteel]

The way I see it if a lvl 1 Rogue can equip an epic then that encourages RMT, and IMO an epic is something that should be earned for end game say lvl 50 +. The Dev team should take a look at item restrictions for those items that are highly traded for RMT. As was stated earlier in this forum, Guilds can still give away their prizes to newbies for easy to get items, yet save the Seb/HS items for end game toons.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by qinsteel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The way I see it if a lvl 1 Rogue can equip an epic then that encourages RMT, and IMO an epic is something that should be earned for end game say lvl 50 +. The Dev team should take a look at item restrictions for those items that are highly traded for RMT. As was stated earlier in this forum, Guilds can still give away their prizes to newbies for easy to get items, yet save the Seb/HS items for end game toons.

Person still gonna RMT and just buy fungi/Serp tooth whatever they want. Short of making everything on the server No drop RMT is going to happen because people want instant gratification.