Women of Norrath, what's your experience?

[Bardalicious]

Personally, I don't view or treat female gamers any differently than male gamers. That doesn't change the truth behind what I've said about most of the women I've known over games being a bit imbalanced.

But then I suppose it's easier to remember the ones that left their husband and kids for another man over a video game than it is to remember the ones that play and behave like normal people, since, ya know, they aren't really making their presence obsessively known like the other ones do.

I think that probably has a large part to do with the generalizations in this thread.

[Roth]

Originally Posted by Sylexis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Odd, I found his replies to be right on the money.

I just picked out his one line which he basically said that most people on the internet are "piles of excrement that managed to use a keyboard". I feel like if someone thinks this way about other people, it's going to be hard for me to come to any understanding on a point with them. Someone who thinks this way is not going to spend the time to listen to what you have to say.

I also forgot to add, this is not really much different from someone who calls all women whores. Which is why I can't understand why someone would say something like that and then defend another group of people. It just feels so hypocritical.

[lecompte]

Originally Posted by Roth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just picked out his one line which he basically said that most people on the internet are "piles of excrement that managed to use a keyboard".

You're not supposed to quote paraphrasing... Especially bad paraphrasing.

[Sylexis]

Originally Posted by Roth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just picked out his one line which he basically said that most people on the internet are "piles of excrement that managed to use a keyboard". I feel like if someone thinks this way about other people, it's going to be hard for me to come to any understanding on a point with them. Someone who thinks this way is not going to spend the time to listen to what you have to say.

I actually generally agree with his sentiment. This isn't old classic live where your behavior in game and on the forums could get you blacklisted from the community almost completely. Nowadays there is such a purveyance of trollish, useless behavior that it's impossible to try and hold a gender debate like this; the thread was doomed from the start.

[Spitty]

Originally Posted by Roth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll break down my original points

Well, allow me to retort. Thanks for the veiled slight regarding my intelligence, by the way - I really needed you to break this down for me to understand it.

Originally Posted by Roth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Telling this person they are an asshole or wrong isn't going to change their beliefs on the core level unless you can really convince them.

I save my convincing abilities for other arenas. If I'm calling someone an asshole, it's not because I'm looking to convert them to Spittyism. All I'm doing is figuratively raising my hand, extending my finger and going "look, over there...that's an asshole." That's all it is. Whether or not you feel like I called you an asshole is moot, if what we're really discussing is this inherent sexism.

Originally Posted by Roth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mostly expressed my opinion that in GENERAL, as in most of the time, not all the time, many female gamers I've met are slightly less hardcore than men. It's just a fact of reality that most pro gamers, as in people paid to play, are men. You can debate the reasoning behind that, it doesn't actually matter why it is or isn't. It's just a fact of reality.

You feel the need to quantify your own statement fivefold before you agree with it. Does that strike you as odd?

Originally Posted by Roth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being more casual is not a bad thing in itself. I never said females are worse at games than men. But generally I am more likely on a subconscious level to be more cautious I suppose of a female gamer, I need to first see how they play.

No, you are doing this on a conscious level. You are so fully aware of your need to qualify a female gamer that you're telling a random person about it, in detail, on a message board.

Originally Posted by Roth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wanted to show that I do think that there is a grey area... it is alright to openly express your opinions if the situation is appropriate, it is not okay to be openly hateful towards other people.

This isn't about hate - there's clearly enough of that around. This is about you claiming to be a white-knight in the daunting face of sexism despite the fact that you're guarding the door to the boy's club when it comes to gaming.

Originally Posted by Roth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dislike when people openly hate females and no one does anything about it. I think that kind of behavior should be called out.

You and I are very much on the same page with this statement. I feel I personify it a little better than you do, though.

Originally Posted by Roth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it becomes an issue when you have people saying things like "fuck all these whores"

I think that when the time comes when you can make your point without resorting to using this phrase in any capacity, then you will have made progress.

[Spitty]

Originally Posted by Roth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just picked out his one line which he basically said that most people on the internet are "piles of excrement that managed to use a keyboard". I feel like if someone thinks this way about other people, it's going to be hard for me to come to any understanding on a point with them. Someone who thinks this way is not going to spend the time to listen to what you have to say.

I also forgot to add, this is not really much different from someone who calls all women whores. Which is why I can't understand why someone would say something like that and then defend another group of people. It just feels so hypocritical.

Sorry, I missed this gem until right now. I was too busy spending time reading your post and considering what you had to say.

I do appreciate your picking out one line from my posts and basing our entire interaction around it. If I had known that would be the only thing you'd take so seriously, I would have passed on adding it to my post.

[Roth]

Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, I missed this gem until right now. I was too busy spending time reading your post and considering what you had to say.

I do appreciate your picking out one line from my posts and basing our entire interaction around it. If I had known that would be the only thing you'd take so seriously, I would have passed on adding it to my post.

The reason why I was so careful on the wording in my reply to you before is because of how hostile you are. I'm gonna leave it at this because I've said my piece and there's no point continuing this conversation.

[Spitty]

I pointed out that you're giving yourself a high-five for taking the high road when it comes to sexism, whilst at the same time stating that you need to see a girl get into a game before, I don't know, considering them competent or something. That's contradictory.

I then take quite a bit of time to read and respond to many points you've made, in detail, whereas you key in on a single sentence I typed and then leave me with the above gem of a post. That's inconsiderate.

Do you see the position you leave me in?

Is it really any wonder that my default reaction, at least when it comes to this kind of interaction, is laced with a little bit of heat?

Maybe you couldn't, but I could have predicted with damn near 80% accuracy that we would have ended up here whether or not I chose to glad-hand you for two pages or not. I've tried that before, so I skipped the petty bullshit and got straight to the core of the discussion.

If personality and method of conversation are challenges you cannot overcome, then I would agree that we are done here.

[Sylexis]

Here you go ladies (just for the ladies!) have a pick me up after reading through all that nonsense.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Sylexis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here you go ladies (just for the ladies!) have a pick me up after reading through all that nonsense.

I like the sentiments there for about 5 seconds. Unfortunately I happen to be attracted to the more caveman type of male apparently, because the first thought through my head when that guy started talking was "I wonder how much they paid that guy to do his hair like Edward Cullen?'

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