PRAS THE GRAND MASTER

[Twainz]

Originally Posted by vouss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I clique up because it's hard to invest time into people who are seemingly so able to flake out on you and join or maybe.. ally with Nihilum.

You mean how Lite flakes out every few months?

[vouss]

Nah thats ok, can't expect him to be on every dragon for 2 years straight, that shits ridiculous

[Smedy]

lets get one thing straight, azrael left red dawn, is that 100% confirmed or was there a hidden deal struck between lite and hb that was somehow broken by hb?

cause if you guys left, why would we follow, its insane

the egos, jesus

you do realize that about a year ago, this exact same thing happened, everyone left. hb was left and more or less forced to join nihilum while we all trusted in the blackhole to lead us to victory only he wasn't able to deal with with politics involving him chopper and kringes crews so shit fell apart and here we are again, why let this shit keep spinning, are you retarded?

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lets get one thing straight, azrael left red dawn, is that 100% confirmed or was there a hidden deal struck between lite and hb that was somehow broken by hb?

cause if you guys left, why would we follow, its insane

the egos, jesus

Was gone for the sabbath to pray to the great sphagetti god in that bowl in the sky while relaxing with my family and friends, only to log on saturday night 2 see Azrael all left guild with zero tells or PMs.

[HippoNipple]

Basically comes down to players like Salem or Lite, that are skilled and good guys, having problems committing to a long term strategy. Players like this will always want drama because their egos crave it. If they aren't shown the right amount of attention or feel like they are "elite" they flake and go do their own thing in their little clique. Lowering expectations and goals is the only way to ensure they will accomplish them. Instead of contesting they make the goal to get more pvp kills then deaths. Which is a pretty simple deal, you zone into KC a couple times a day and back stab people.

If Azrael members really wanted to see the fall of Nihilum and win the war they wouldn't have spun off to make this small sniping guild. They just want to get random yellow text and hurt other guilds when they can. They don't have actual goals of their own. This is fine and the desired play style of a lot of PvP minded players, but call it what it is. FoH is a great example of a long lasting PvP guild that doesn't pretend to be something that it isn't.

This sounds harsh and wasn't supposed to. Azrael is a PvP guild. PvP guilds are never meant to take over PvE guilds. They just get their fun in when they can. Calling Azrael the "resistance" is a joke. No PvP guild will ever overthrow the current number 1 guild. There is no long term plan or goals. You get some yellow text and the players respawn.

Trying to build a new PvE guild involves putting your egos aside, realizing you are not the "elite" at this time, and striving to eventually become the elite in a guild you built. A lot of Azrael members don't want that and it makes sense that they wanted to not be a part of Red Dawn. My playtime actually favors joining a guild like Azrael and I think it would be a lot of fun but at the same time I enjoy being apart of a guild that is trying to accomplish something long term and build. I think I would be happy in either guild.

[chu]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically comes down to players like Salem or Lite, that are skilled and good guys, having problems committing to a long term strategy. Players like this will always want drama because their egos crave it. If they aren't shown the right amount of attention or feel like they are "elite" they flake and go do their own thing in their little clique. Lowering expectations and goals is the only way to ensure they will accomplish them. Instead of contesting they make the goal to get more pvp kills then deaths. Which is a pretty simple deal, you zone into KC a couple times a day and back stab people.

If Azrael members really wanted to see the fall of Nihilum and win the war they wouldn't have spun off to make this small sniping guild. They just want to get random yellow text and hurt other guilds when they can. They don't have actual goals of their own. This is fine and the desired play style of a lot of PvP minded players, but call it what it is. FoH is a great example of a long lasting PvP guild that doesn't pretend to be something that it isn't.

This sounds harsh and wasn't supposed to. Azrael is a PvP guild. PvP guilds are never meant to take over PvE guilds. They just get their fun in when they can. Calling Azrael the "resistance" is a joke. No PvP guild will ever overthrow the current number 1 guild. There is no long term plan or goals. You get some yellow text and the players respawn.

Trying to build a new PvE guild involves putting your egos aside, realizing you are not the "elite" at this time, and striving to eventually become the elite in a guild you built. A lot of Azrael members don't want that and it makes sense that they wanted to not be a part of Red Dawn. My playtime actually favors joining a guild like Azrael and I think it would be a lot of fun but at the same time I enjoy being apart of a guild that is trying to accomplish something long term and build. I think I would be happy in either guild.

tldr

[Zalaerian]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically comes down to players like Salem or Lite, that are skilled and good guys, having problems committing to a long term strategy. Players like this will always want drama because their egos crave it. If they aren't shown the right amount of attention or feel like they are "elite" they flake and go do their own thing in their little clique. Lowering expectations and goals is the only way to ensure they will accomplish them. Instead of contesting they make the goal to get more pvp kills then deaths. Which is a pretty simple deal, you zone into KC a couple times a day and back stab people.

If Azrael members really wanted to see the fall of Nihilum and win the war they wouldn't have spun off to make this small sniping guild. They just want to get random yellow text and hurt other guilds when they can. They don't have actual goals of their own. This is fine and the desired play style of a lot of PvP minded players, but call it what it is. FoH is a great example of a long lasting PvP guild that doesn't pretend to be something that it isn't.

This sounds harsh and wasn't supposed to. Azrael is a PvP guild. PvP guilds are never meant to take over PvE guilds. They just get their fun in when they can. Calling Azrael the "resistance" is a joke. No PvP guild will ever overthrow the current number 1 guild. There is no long term plan or goals. You get some yellow text and the players respawn.

Trying to build a new PvE guild involves putting your egos aside, realizing you are not the "elite" at this time, and striving to eventually become the elite in a guild you built. A lot of Azrael members don't want that and it makes sense that they wanted to not be a part of Red Dawn. My playtime actually favors joining a guild like Azrael and I think it would be a lot of fun but at the same time I enjoy being apart of a guild that is trying to accomplish something long term and build. I think I would be happy in either guild.

This exaxtly . I asked lite so many times I lost count of "what's the plan for velious" "what are day one goals what are 3 month goals". The is this. Azreal has no goals. Zero. /who kc and llufing in and out of it are their longest term goals. Maybe sniping yt here or there. A guild with zero velious prep is not what I'm looking for and I know a lot of RD core think the same. Gotta have a plan. Even if your plan looks like shit.

[Stalos_]

Originally Posted by Zalaerian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This exaxtly . I asked lite so many times I lost count of "what's the plan for velious" "what are day one goals what are 3 month goals". The is this. Azreal has no goals. Zero. /who kc and llufing in and out of it are their longest term goals. Maybe sniping yt here or there. A guild with zero velious prep is not what I'm looking for and I know a lot of RD core think the same. Gotta have a plan. Even if your plan looks like shit.

Everyone got a plan till they get hit with a bat. And I'm with that bat.

[lite]

Originally Posted by Zalaerian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This exaxtly . I asked lite so many times I lost count of "what's the plan for velious" "what are day one goals what are 3 month goals". The is this. Azreal has no goals. Zero. /who kc and llufing in and out of it are their longest term goals. Maybe sniping yt here or there. A guild with zero velious prep is not what I'm looking for and I know a lot of RD core think the same. Gotta have a plan. Even if your plan looks like shit.

I explained my plan to you. Don't know what you mean by this.

[lite]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trying to build a new PvE guild involves putting your egos aside, realizing you are not the "elite" at this time, and striving to eventually become the elite in a guild you built. A lot of Azrael members don't want that and it makes sense that they wanted to not be a part of Red Dawn. My playtime actually favors joining a guild like Azrael and I think it would be a lot of fun but at the same time I enjoy being apart of a guild that is trying to accomplish something long term and build. I think I would be happy in either guild.

damn I love you hippo. You are welcome anytime if you decide to go full fucking blown out red.