Noble Dojorn Timers

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I 100% agree with you that these mobs are raid targets, however, they are NOT given any consideration as so by the GMs. They are not on the 1/1/1 system and are when we got suspended I was told by Sirken that Sky mobs are good to go! Which, I firmly believe, should include Noble, OOAs and HoV. These mobs should NOT be just a regular mob and SHOULD be added be given the weight they deserve. However, they are not. Which is why IB got pissed that you guys came up to capitalize on "their Noble" even though they were in suspension... because technically they can still kill it according to previous GM suspension rules.

Should that be the case, TMO has made it clear that we would engage a noble on a day other than our own if we do not have a noble spawning on our day. I believe this is even posted here in this thread by Snackies. However, we have also agreed to not killing Overseers to any extent.

[Artaenc]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Should that be the case, TMO has made it clear that we would engage a noble on a day other than our own if we do not have a noble spawning on our day. I believe this is even posted here in this thread by Snackies. However, we have also agreed to not killing Overseers to any extent.

"a noble" is not accurate here, more like Saturday and Tuesday Noble unless I got the days mixed up.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Artaenc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"a noble" is not accurate here, more like Saturday and Tuesday Noble unless I got the days mixed up.

Saturday was our motion to take a noble in concurrence with our previously stated agreement. We felt Tuesday was an open contest. If we continue to observe the previous agreement, TMO will not engage 2 nobles within a 7-day period. If we engage a noble on a Thursday and an unanticipated noble spawns on our Sunday, we will concede it to A-Team who shares our day.

[bktroost]

Is that TMO agreeing to uphold this agreement in the near future should IB agree as well?

[Striiker]

The attempt to rotate this had several flaws and ultimately it failed because we did not have a consensus by all guilds involved. Getting everyone to willingly agree to anything is pretty much impossible on this server. There were too many instances of guilds looking out for their own interests instead of making concessions to arrive at an equitable solution.

It's unfortunate really.. A simple rotation would ultimately see every sky raiding guild get a Noble kill weekly (possibly more) or at the least, an equal number over a given period of time (but this requires compromise to get rolling). So, the final straw came when a perceived slight by TMO against IB happened and so IB retaliated by killing some overseers (which steps all over the remaining guilds who were not involved in any such actions).

So, the agreement is dead for the time being. The Efreeti cycle will be once again a FFA click-fest target.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Striiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The attempt to rotate this had several flaws and ultimately it failed because we did not have a consensus by all guilds involved. Getting everyone to willingly agree to anything is pretty much impossible on this server. There were too many instances of guilds looking out for their own interests instead of making concessions to arrive at an equitable solution.

It's unfortunate really.. A simple rotation would ultimately see every sky raiding guild get a Noble kill weekly (possibly more) or at the least, an equal number over a given period of time (but this requires compromise to get rolling). So, the final straw came when a perceived slight by TMO against IB happened and so IB retaliated by killing some overseers (which steps all over the remaining guilds who were not involved in any such actions).

So, the agreement is dead for the time being. The Efreeti cycle will be once again a FFA click-fest target.

It is unfortunate that IB's behavior led to such confusion for everyone else on the server. TMO will still respect the agreement that we put forth since the freeti agreement has been in place. Nothing has changed on our end. Our killing of IB's noble was under the premise that IB was not able to engage noble (or Overseers for that matter) during a raid suspension. Our understanding of this was furthered when IB leadership and membership remained on island 1 for about 30minutes while we waited and engaged Noble without a single /tell or /ooc from leadership validating or questioning our actions.

If Taken wishes to withdraw, then that decision lays solely on you and TMO will adjust accordingly.

[Erati]

Pretty hard to just press the 'reset' button once an agreement is broken especially when we have no measures in place to ensure that a similar situation doesn't happen again.

Without any form type of oversight, the Overseer agreement is subject to any guild's 'bad day'.

Until we as a collective group can decide on how we wish to enforce the "No Killing of Overseers", hoping and wishing that no one does seems pretty futile.

[Erati]

I spoke with Deru...

if we can get all Sky rotation guilds to agree on concise rules surrounding our agreement it will be enforced by the staff.

This is not a Taken thing, its really up to every guild on the Sky rotation on how we move forward, and how it is we see to it our agreement remains intact.

[-Catherin-]

If we have GM enforcement if everyone can agree then...

Make the noble cycle a raid target. (You cannot kill any of them if you are suspended)

And make killing the Overseer by anyone participating in the agreement grounds to have your guild suspended.

I would be happy if those two points could be enforced as it prevents anyone from going rogue like we have already witnessed. I think we can figure out the rest among ourselves.

[Pint]

Interesting that the staff would want to tie themselves to part of the sky agreement but it would definitely be reassuring. I dont mean to single out Taken but it was your guild leader who declared the agreement dead without consulting the rest of us. Asgard is not suggesting that the nobles enter the C/R/FFA cycle, we just liked the idea of leaving Ooa's up since that seemed to result in a net positive for everyone involved regardless of whether or not they want to rotate, ynyd or fte spam them.