Sirken's proposal

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some encounters will always be messy. Anything in Hate or Fear can involve training, and a lot of it. That's the nature of those zones, and it's usually not on purpose.

it's the nature of the encounter when additional guilds try to leapfrog and be general idiots, there's no respect in this raid scene, and it's disingenuous at best to pretend like it's a factor of the encounter and not the hardcores doing whatever it takes to get dem pixels, and whether intent is there or not it doesn't matter because it's usually impossible to prove and you need HD-Fraps from 4 different angles and even then a conviction is unlikely

that's the game we don't want to play and boiling it down to "it ain't so bad" is just your opinion because you've made peace with the idea of shitting on someone else to get what you want

[Thana8088]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's the nature of the encounter when additional guilds try to leapfrog and be general idiots, there's no respect in this raid scene, and it's disingenuous at best to pretend like it's a factor of the encounter and not the hardcores doing whatever it takes to get dem pixels, and whether intent is there or not it doesn't matter because it's usually impossible to prove and you need HD-Fraps from 4 different angles and even then a conviction is unlikely

that's the game we don't want to play and boiling it down to "it ain't so bad" is just your opinion because you've made peace with the idea of shitting on someone else to get what you want

Kinda like stealing Draco because you thought TMO was kiting?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Thana8088 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kinda like stealing Draco because you thought TMO was kiting?

kinda like ripping an officer core apart from the inside out because we wouldn't make your boyfriend a raid leader?

see? i can do that too

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Thana8088 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kinda like stealing Draco because you thought TMO was kiting?

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

kinda like ripping an officer core apart from the inside out because we wouldn't make your boyfriend a raid leader?

see? i can do that too

The problem is the atmosphere demands it. I don't know this particular situation, so I am not taking a side on it. But when you mix ideologically opposed individuals, conflicts like this are assured to happen. There is science to back up that fact. The focus of my thesis is on exactly this subject.

If you're a person like me, and you want to see your epic, and you want to work hard for it, but you don't want the toxic atmosphere that comes along with it, you pretty much have nowhere to go. Now again, that toxic atmosphere I talk about is not toxic to everyone, some people like that atmosphere, and it is a good one to them. So please do not think I suggest it is morally wrong. My point is only that to me, it isn't the atmosphere I like, or that I enjoy. This is a game, I want to have fun, and I want to work hard to achieve my goals.

The problem is, the only way to compete and achieve your goals is to get your hands dirtied in getting involved in the atmosphere you dislike, and it's not because of a lack of hard work, but because those tactics are simply more effective. That's why right now, the conversations the guild leaders and officers are doing, it is the best moment so far on P99, because I can see the potential that the environment can become something myself, and many other casual players like, and still allow for the hardcore to create the environment they like.

I really hope good stuff comes from this. I really do. There are too many people like me out there who are willing to work hard, but don't want that type of hardcore environment to work in.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's the nature of the encounter when additional guilds try to leapfrog and be general idiots, there's no respect in this raid scene, and it's disingenuous at best to pretend like it's a factor of the encounter and not the hardcores doing whatever it takes to get dem pixels, and whether intent is there or not it doesn't matter because it's usually impossible to prove and you need HD-Fraps from 4 different angles and even then a conviction is unlikely

that's the game we don't want to play and boiling it down to "it ain't so bad" is just your opinion because you've made peace with the idea of shitting on someone else to get what you want

Respect is earned, also you have to give respect to get it. There has never been a time Lord Chest has respected any of the Hardcore guilds.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Respect is earning, also you have to give respect to get it. There has never been a time Lord Chest has respected any of the Hardcore guilds.

respect is a two way street alarti, and there's never been a point where the hardcore guilds stopped shitting on the little guys, it's never enough and that's the issue right?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

respect is a two way street alarti, and there's never been a point where the hardcore guilds stopped shitting on the little guys, it's never enough and that's the issue right?

That is a wholly untrue answer. Come back when you are willing to speak truthfully.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Respect is earned, also you have to give respect to get it. There has never been a time Lord Chest has respected any of the Hardcore guilds.

Ex-hardcore raider here, hardcore guilds don't deserve any respect.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Respect is earned, also you have to give respect to get it.

Says the man who can't stay out of RNF nor /OOC. Your taunts in both medias are infamous.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Says the man who can't stay out of RNF nor /OOC. Your taunts in both medias are infamous.

Shit talking doesn't mean a lack of respect. Shit-talking is an entertaining part of any competitive event. Have you ever played sports? I play in a few adult sports leagues we talk shit while we play then we get drinks after the game.