Sirken's proposal

[JayN]

give it all to casuals theyll burn out in a month; then the alphas can go back to shit slinging for pixels

GG


plz velious! best thing about p99 atm is watching abbacab trains

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Droog007 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's all well and good - and it warms my heart to hear how you're so fucking poor.

I give zero shits about plat. It all goes toward buying ports and rezes and peridots pretty much. So I can do other things conveniently. I don't farm money because I choose not to. I much prefer doing other things in EQ. That's my whole point. Other people do care about plat and stuff that they can buy. It's a difference of play-style. One that I'm okay with. I give up something in favor of something else. It seems many in the "non raider" scene are not okay with this, and it's illogical.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

best thing about p99 ever is watching abbacab trains

fixed

[Buriedpast]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey Chest buddy. Raiding actually isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Those incidents all happen but are few and far between. This is for you and everyone else who choose not to put in effort to kill raid mobs, but keep referencing all this "toxic" shit that happens and how you're morally above all that.

You know how shit usually goes? Batphone goes out, we log into VS pit, TMO has FTE and kill the mob, we go park at the next target and log off. I'm not going to search for it, but this morning I read a post from one of the GMs, that 80% of engages go perfectly smoothly and don't involve any of this drama.

I know this is literally the only argument that you (and many many others) have for why you want to do nothing, and still get free shots at mobs. But it's been debunked.

Rapid fire keyboard or software macros will do that.... What was it, same person on 4 vs's against some FE/IB with like 20ping tab clicking.

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by Buriedpast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rapid fire keyboard or software macros will do that.... What was it, same person on 4 vs's against some FE/IB with like 20ping tab clicking.

Oh baby, I've transcended into mythical state. This is great!

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To me, a casual is someone who doesn't have the time or motivation to be so heavily committed to a game. To most of the people on this server, "casual" seems to be anyone not in a top raiding guild. I think the use of the words casual and hardcore are ridiculous at this point.

"Casuals" do not want competition? No, players who do not want competition, do not want competition. We have a vast majority of "casuals" in tier 1 guilds. That is, players with families and lives and responsibilities. They choose to spend their EQ time tracking or raiding rather than leveling alts, farming, or doing whatever the people that YOU call "casuals" do.

You see, to me, that's not a casual. And this comes down to why casual is a difficult term. A casual is a person, in my view, that wants an enjoyable raiding experience independent of the toxic nature that comes with cutthroat competition. I have played in hardcore guilds in a variety of different MMOs in my time, and I came away not enjoying it. It always felt like a job. I wasn't doing it to be a part of a community, or part of a group of tight-knit raiders, I was doing it because it was my job in the guild to pick up pixels.

That's not enough for me. I am a casual because I like a laid back atmosphere, one that is inclusive to more people. I love teaching new players, so much so I wrote a huge damn guide on necromancer soloing for the sole purpose of teaching new players how to necromancer while they level up, learning each new trick as they go. I don't like being in places where the minimum requirement to be in the guild is to be at the top tier of skill, at the top tier of gearing, and all that jank. I like seeing the journey people take from weak, to strong. Hardcore focuses more on getting the results of the kill, rather than the journey to it, and in that way, it encourages you to already be fully prepared to raid, already be fully prepped gear wise. That is why I have always aspired to find casual raiding guilds that can still produce results. They are out there, they do exist. But they are casual, but can produce semi-hardcore results.

I love to teach, I love to interact with people, and I love competition in a non-toxic way. Friendly competition is fine, but that doesn't happen when you have people that are ideologically polarized interacting in the same space, as shown by Haas (2007) in Ideological Origins. Casuals still can enjoy competition, we just see far too much negativity and conflict at the core of hardcore raiding. We want competition that is friendly, among friendly people. That's what raiding has been like for the last two weeks due to the agreement, and it has been, handily, the best couple of weeks I've ever had in EQ.

I feel I work damn hard, not only in my guild, but with a variety of people around the server. I have the goal of one day seeing my Necromancer epic, and not having to buy the parts from an upper tier guild. I want to be able to destroy CT with a group of friends, loot a Slime Blood, turn that shit in, and know that it was awarded to me for my hard work, and I'd like to do that without selling out my principles to an environment I find to be toxic. That would go against my principles, and against my fun. This is a game after all, and fun is kind of what it is about. I am not saying people who like hardcore competition are wrong, just that it isn't the type of atmosphere a person like me wants to play with in a game.

But that's just me. That's my brand of casual. There's many others out there in everyone's mind.

[Rhambuk]

Friendly Competition

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[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Uteunayr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel I work damn hard, not only in my guild, but with a variety of people around the server. I have the goal of one day seeing my Necromancer epic, and not having to buy the parts from an upper tier guild. I want to be able to destroy CT with a group of friends, loot a Slime Blood, turn that shit in, and know that it was awarded to me for my hard work, and I'd like to do that without selling out my principles to a toxic environment, struggling through it until I earn my epic. This is a game after all.

But that's just me. That's my brand of casual.

Good post. I quoted this part because I felt exactly the same way. Even if I had 1,000,000 plat I still wouldn't have bought soul leech for my epic. I wanted to kill CT for it.

Many, many people have this conception that the raid scene is completely "toxic" because these huge drama posts about FTE sniping and trains get posted in RNF. They get a lot of attention, and all this stuff happens. But for the most part raid encounters are not like that. There probably isn't as much drama or rule breaking as you think. So many boss mobs get killed every week, without rnf drama. Some encounters will always be messy. Anything in Hate or Fear can involve training, and a lot of it. That's the nature of those zones, and it's usually not on purpose. Aside from this, most engages go smoothly even with both guilds trying their hardest to win. What I'm saying is, the raid scene can be very messy, but in my opinion it isn't actually THAT bad.

[Thana8088]

Originally Posted by Uteunayr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel I work damn hard, not only in my guild, but with a variety of people around the server. I have the goal of one day seeing my Necromancer epic, and not having to buy the parts from an upper tier guild. I want to be able to destroy CT with a group of friends, loot a Slime Blood, turn that shit in, and know that it was awarded to me for my hard work, and I'd like to do that without selling out my principles to an environment I find to be toxic. That would go against my principles, and against my fun. This is a game after all, and fun is kind of what it is about. I am not saying people who like hardcore competition are wrong, just that it isn't the type of atmosphere a person like me wants to play with in a game.

But that's just me. That's my brand of casual. There's many others out there in everyone's mind.

Just curious, have you actually raided on p99?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some encounters will always be messy. Anything in Hate or Fear can involve training, and a lot of it. That's the nature of those zones, and it's usually not on purpose.

it's the nature of the encounter when additional guilds try to leapfrog and be general idiots, there's no respect in this raid scene, and it's disingenuous at best to pretend like it's a factor of the encounter and not the hardcores doing whatever it takes to get dem pixels, and whether intent is there or not it doesn't matter because it's usually impossible to prove and you need HD-Fraps from 4 different angles and even then a conviction is unlikely

that's the game we don't want to play and boiling it down to "it ain't so bad" is just your opinion because you've made peace with the idea of shitting on someone else to get what you want