Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by Ungriim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off I would like to say that this has been talked up to a few people in private - and has not been decided on yet by any guild. That being said this is what I propose, and would like feedback on it.

1. VP will remain FTE by any guild at all times.
Regardless of what goes on outside of VP, at all times VP will remain a CSR zone with no training and standard current FTE rules. Pull locations can be decided by guilds (ie zone in kills legal or not etc.)

2. The 2 hour window stall remains in effect.
Outside of VP - whoever kills a Kunark or Classic Dragon will be required to wait 2 hours before making an attempt the next time the dragon pops.

3. Forced raid breaks for high-kill guilds

Explaination: If you look at whokilledit.com, there are 2 dragons on 3 day (~8 kills a month) and 9 dragons on 7 day (~36 kills a month) for a total of roughly 44 dragon kills per month. Lets take that at a 25% rate. 11 dragons a month. ANY guild that kills more than 11 dragons a month is forced to take a raid break from Classic/Kunark dragons for the first week of the following month.

Reasoning: A lot of people are concerned that this 2 hour window thing will just create a top-2-guild-rotation and still not help the server population / nostalgia / raid scene out. I believe that this rule will either 1) Have the top guild sitting out for a week - and more than likely a couple of them sitting out, -or- 2) If they try to dodge it by killing only 11 dragons, then they will be leaving other dragons up anyways by picking and choosing.

VP: The 11 Dragon kill count WILL include VP dragon deaths, but the ruling WILL NOT suspend you from killing dragons in VP - see Rule #1.

4. Suggestion - Rogean reopens Raid Forum
Topic with each mob, guild leaders post in the topic when the mob is killed and by who. Topic to keep track of dragon tallies stickied. Allow everyone to see topics and post about possible raid alterations/solutions.





I am looking for honest opinions from different guilds and players on what you think about this scenario. I personally feel that it will allow other guilds to kill dragons, still allow higher end guilds to compete in VP, AND it will give hardcore players a break once a month from having to answer those goddamn batphones at 3am for Talendor.

Please dont 'trolololol this will never work' - be constructive.

I like this. It would please both the "roflmaozergcompetition" people and the "casual scum". Casual scum would pretty much never have to fight both FE/IB and TMO, and a lot of time just the other casual guilds. It would also ensure that the casuals that actively track and put in some work to get some targets would get it, instead of a rotation where everyone would be at the same level.

I would add 2 things:

- in case of full repop, FTE and FTE only applies. Full server repop and actually racing to a mob (and not just logging on toons camped there) is the most classic thing we will ever get in here, and it should be preserved.

- we should also agree that these rules applies to kunark and classic mobs only. Wehenever Velious hits, we should go back to a full competition/FTE like there was before, at least to see how it all goes with the new targets added. Further debates might be necessary then, we'll have to see that.

[Ungriim]

I understand that they have Jeremy, and it could be partially - if not mostly - to battered wives syndrome. The raid scene has been retarded for so long that they just stopped trying. Well now rogean is telling us to open it up for them to try.

[Ungriim]

Afk driving 4 hours to see family - but I applaud that talks are happening

[Nizzarr]

23 pages for practically a rotation?

Just make a rotation already.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Originally Posted by Ungriim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3. Forced raid breaks for high-kill guilds

Explaination: If you look at whokilledit.com, there are 2 dragons on 3 day (~8 kills a month) and 9 dragons on 7 day (~36 kills a month) for a total of roughly 44 dragon kills per month. Lets take that at a 25% rate. 11 dragons a month. ANY guild that kills more than 11 dragons a month is forced to take a raid break from Classic/Kunark dragons for the first week of the following month.

Reasoning: A lot of people are concerned that this 2 hour window thing will just create a top-2-guild-rotation and still not help the server population / nostalgia / raid scene out. I believe that this rule will either 1) Have the top guild sitting out for a week - and more than likely a couple of them sitting out, -or- 2) If they try to dodge it by killing only 11 dragons, then they will be leaving other dragons up anyways by picking and choosing.

All sounds good besides that shit.
It is as complicated as

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a simple ??? solution. Lets have FE/IB/TMO agree to no poopsocking, no delayed engages, and to leave up 4 dracos, and 2 naggy/vox/tal/sev/gore/fay/inny in an 8/4 cycle. (50%)

CT/Trak/VP always complete, and the draco that pops with CT always compete.

Fuck that. There will be a new 20-40man VERY hardcore guild sniping what dragons they want if some stupid shit like these ideas ever come into play.
In a perfect "world" it may work. But never on here. To complicated and forming a hardcore guild that kills NOT everything but just what they want that week would be the best route for the hardcore.

[Bossman]

Originally Posted by Turp_SmokinPurp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All sounds good besides this shit.

Don't think that should apply to VP

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Turp_SmokinPurp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All sounds good besides that shit.
It is as complicated as

Fuck that. There will be a new 20-40man VERY hardcore guild sniping what dragons they want if some stupid shit like these ideas ever come into play.
In a perfect "world" it may work. But never on here. To complicated and forming a hardcore guild that kills NOT everything but just what they want that week would be the best route for the hardcore.

A very hardcore guild wouldn't be satisfied without ct/vs/trak/VP.
The reason for this entire concept is the lack of hardcore.

Get off that purp before you post Turp

[JayFiveAlive]

Rotation sounds good to me personally or the point system :P

[radditsu]

Reposting here:

Use the tools we have to make an agreement. Don't depend on repops or variance changes. Those are future issues.

[gwideon]

I hope the agreement takes into account how people could skirt the rules by setting up "front" guilds to feed a main guild, or guilds that are comprised of temporary guild jumpers to credit the kill to someone else.

Thank you