Critical Suggestions for Raid Rules

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not a question of being "comfortable" with the raiding scene.

People don't seem to understand that this is non instanced content. 5 mobs on a variance timer. The majority of these 5 mobs have a 1 week spawn cycle. We're talking bread crumbs for a lot of hungry people/guilds.

There is no possible way you are ever going to stop camping. FFA? Camp
FTE? Camp. Any guild with decent leadership will use the tactics necessary to make sure their raid force is in the best possible position to get the mob when it spawns. That means being ready, in the zone, when the boss pops. No guild owes any of you whining motherf*ckers a damn thing. The role of the officers of IB, DA, Wi is to kill bosses and gear up their guilds. Not to give in to the demands of a bunch of board warriors.

You still have to clear trash. You still have to pull the lair. You still have to mobilize at a moment's notice when the boss pops if someone is calling timers and roll calls and you have to execute within 30 minutes or all that time spent waiting for the mob is wasted. The GMs have already said they are NOT getting involved with the raid rules or the raid scene and for good reason. You are not going to please everyone and the reason being is because not everyone plays this game for the same reasons.

The guilds bitching and complaining they aren't getting mobs and calling the other guilds "poopsockers" play this game to "Heya" in /gu and for a bit of nostalgia. They aren't hardcore. They don't play the guild vs guild game. I can only speculate as to why they don't, but it just seems like they have poor leadership or are unmotivated to try and gear up their members.

They've outright said. " We won't camp ", which is fine, but they've never done anything to try and get a crack at a mob without camping which is VERY possible to do. I find it ironic that people in Divinity of all guilds are shitting up these threads talking shit about "poopsocking" and "camping" when that's EXACTLY what they did to get their first Vox kill many months ago. They chose, as a guild, to do it one time. (That was long before DA even existed, so you bitches need to go rake up your own backyard before you start slinging insults.) For them now to troll up threads judging other guilds doing EXACTLY what they did is beyond hypocrisy.

Personally, I don't speak for a specific guild. What I do is recognize what is truly going on here which is guild VS guild competition. Classic raiding is horribly outdated with the precision and communication being used for raiding such a small amount of content today. The inevitable conclusion to this type of organization is camping. Prioritizing. Choosing targets WAY in advance. The current raid rules actually make this possible without being a total shitfest of trains and KSing. Both DA and IB, for the most part, have generally played by the rules. Not all the time, but enough to where the current system has integrity. The raiding guilds have been playing this game within this structure for a long time now. I'm sure people that were clearing hate trash 6 months ago that didn't want to compete in this environment envisioned these guilds burning out and dying but that hasn't happened. So what you are seeing now is the frustration that has built up for months as these second tiered guilds have continued to kill their shiverbacks and Ire ghasts for the 1000th time and have nothing to show for it.

You sound mad brah~

[Nizzarr]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You sound mad brah~

You sound pretty fucking dumb trolling your own thread, brah.

[Bumamgar]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's yet another reason it doesn't work, and this just happened 20 minutes ago:

The rules were disobeyed either by both sides, or by at least one. Whether it was a premature call or a late call that was excused, it still went down fishy.

Ektar roll calls, WI responds, seemingly too late and are still granted a 30 minute timer.

Or, Ektar roll calls, WI responds but Ektar doesn't timestamp or claims they didn't respond in time but actually did.

Nothing fishy going on here. WI and IB honored the server rules as laid down by Nilbog. IB gave us our 30 minutes and we killed Naggy within that time.

Ektar tried to impose some additional rules on the situation, and I promptly ignored him. I'm not against working within an additional set of player created rules, but no one handed me a rulebook when I formed WI and started raiding, and waiting till I'm running a raid under a 30 minute timer at 8:30 in the morning on a Monday to inform me of these "extra" rules and expecting me to honor them sight unseen and back down from a mob I've just spent 5 days camping is ludicrous. I'm sure I'll be involved in further discussions with the other raiding guilds on this server and come to an agreement, but springing it as a surprise mid-raid is pretty lame, imho. It was well known that WI was camping Naggy, and there was plenty of time for Ektar to send me a tell during that time to make sure I was aware of whatever additional rules beyond the official GM created rules I was going to be expected to know about and adhere to.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You sound pretty fucking dumb trolling your own thread, brah.

Wow..if it isn't that pot again...

trying to call the kettle black of all things!

[Aeolwind]

lol, ya'll just don't get it do you?