Victim disarmament zones

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by aowen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What terms have I conflated?

A social contract is an idea that goes way back, and is perhaps made most famous by Thomas Hobbes. Hobbes said that in order for people to organize and come together, they had to enter into a tacit agreement in which they would all sacrifice some of their rights in exchange for enhanced security and a list of other provisions. Now, what these provisions include is the source of contention. Social democracies have now become the norm for developed countries. Part of social democracies is that within their social contract, there is a provision for social safety nets and welfare, therefore cutting that provision out would be to break contract. Now, if the majority of people within one of these social democracies, such as the US, decided that the contract no longer included welfare, thereby removing a provision, it would be far more severe and different than changing welfare itself.

Now you might say similar about taking guns away, but that's only if you believe that owning a gun is part of running a well regulated militia. However, that is because you seem to have little idea as to the context of the 2nd amendment, and why it was drafted at the time.

Originally Posted by orruar

My argument is retarded because it's your exact same argument turned around to this situation. Perhaps now you have a chance to learn from your previous mistake. Or perhaps you'll continue to fight tooth and nail to not learn anything.

It's like I'm some kind of god damned superhero with the ability to see the future. Or maybe your stupidity is just predictable.

[aowen]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's like I'm some kind of god damned superhero with the ability to see the future. Or maybe your stupidity is just predictable.

Your argument wasn't that at all. Your argument was mainly composed of inane insults and a failure to understand what a social contract is, which is why you didn't know how to use it within an argument. Now you think you have still turned it around on me because me disagreeing with the 2nd amendment and taking guns is the same as you wanting to cut welfare within the context of what you assume to be my ideology or my argument pertaining to a social contract. It's not, so you can move along now and pick another angle of your little gun show. I can see this probably descending into an argument about the 2nd amendment itself, but maybe not.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by aowen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your argument wasn't that at all. Your argument was mainly composed of inane insults and a failure to understand what a social contract is, which is why you didn't know how to use it within an argument. Now you think you have still turned it around on me because me disagreeing with the 2nd amendment and taking guns is the same as you wanting to cut welfare within the context of what you assume to be my ideology or my argument pertaining to a social contract. It's not, so you can move along now and pick another angle of your little gun show. I can see this probably descending into an argument about the 2nd amendment itself, but maybe not.

If you tried this hard to actually learn things instead of expending the effort to bury your head in the sand, there's no telling what you might learn.

[aowen]

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can do away with it entirely, go move to some socialist SHITHOLE in Europe where you'll be treated like a CHILD

Most of those so-called shitholes have higher standards of living than we do. If they'd let me move there, which they won't, I would gladly. Probably to Denmark, Germany, or France only because it's too fucking cold way up in Sweden and Norway.

[aowen]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you tried this hard to actually learn things instead of expending the effort to bury your head in the sand, there's no telling what you might learn.

Yet another insult. Astonishing how every time i talk to you, I wind up linking articles full of information, citing NPR broadcasts, or referring books, all of which I have read. You instead make insult after insult, seem to have no cohesion between points you try to bring up, and seldom if ever use a fact as part of your arguments. It's all just conjecture and beliefs that you don't really have any evidence to substantiate.

[JayN]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you tried this hard to actually learn things instead of expending the effort to bury your head in the sand, there's no telling what you might learn.

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[aowen]

I guess I shouldn't expect much from a person who thinks personal anecdotes are more important evidence with no credibility or way to be validated than statistics methodically collected by professionals working for organizations with reputations to uphold.

[JayN]

Originally Posted by aowen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess I shouldn't expect much from a person who thinks personal anecdotes are more important evidence with no credibility or way to be validated than statistics methodically collected by professionals working for organizations with reputations to uphold.

if onlyz u waz smat and new dat ******s r ******s wth man

[aowen]

Meh, the only person who shares any information or has clearly read into an issue is the one who is told to go do more learning.

Most of the people on here sound like their idea of data collection is listening to Limbaugh and O'Reilly scream for an hour

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by aowen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess I shouldn't expect much from a person who thinks personal anecdotes are more important evidence with no credibility or way to be validated than statistics methodically collected by professionals working for organizations with reputations to uphold.

Mind quoting the post where I said personal anecdotes are more important than data? You are being intellectually lazy again, conflating my position with other people you were arguing with in that other thread.