Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[radditsu]

I have trained for hours in vp.


It is the dumbest thing I have ever done.

They did not soul bind keys because of asshole trainers in vp. They did it because it is hard enough to do on its own.


Remove soulbound keys and I bet this kind of griefing goes away.

Either way it is dumb and wastes a players time and patience. It makes good players resent each other for pixels. Poison imo.

[Ele]

I don't understand the mentality that derives enjoyment out of ruining other people's gaming experience e.g training and PKing.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand the mentality that derives enjoyment out of ruining other people's gaming experience e.g training and PKing.

So true, even on live when i first started I'll admit i did some dickhole things to grief people, training guards over camps so when they path back they agro people etc etc. none of it was fun for me and im sure it wasn't for them.

No idea how people can enjoy spending hours just training each other, i would rather give them the mob and call it done then screw off for hours training JUST so the other guild cant get the mob, not so we can get it but so they can't

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

[radditsu]

@sirken

I love you man but your pvp mentality causes issues on a blue server sometimes. People play blue to race to mobs and play the content. Not dealing with griefers.

If a guild has enough trak kills for keys, the have every right to be there unmolested (intentionally).

Killing trak 15 times is plenty of work to slay more dragons that drop suspect weaponry cum velious and a crown and a robe.

[radditsu]

Poll numbers.

[Splorf22]

TBH training in VP to me always seemed like a silly kind of PVP. 3 classes get invulnerability and hugely overpowered weapons; the other classes get nothing and get to run around the entrance and try not to die. I suppose this is a lot of fun if you are an FD class, but it's REAL hard for me to see how this kind of pseudo-PVP is within the vision of Verant. I mean everything they have written about the subject is how they didn't want their game to be like UO.

Also Jeremy I think if you really thought about what you were saying you'd realize that the 'competitive EQ' that occurs on this server is beyond dumb. Aside from the utterly retarded tracking and batphoning, EQ is simply not designed for multiple competing raid forces in the same zone. If you clear you'll just get leapfrogged, so everyone tries to train away and sneak out the boss and it all comes down to who has the good monk/sk team and who can plausibly deny training the other squad.

One of the things that boggles my mind the most is that the staff are ok with the current raid scene. AFAIK Nilbog doesn't really like it, but he'd rather work on Velious; Rogean doesn't really like it, but he's busy with his job; but amazing Sirken and Ephi and the GM team actually approve of the current raid scene and that just boggles my mind.

inb4 'you just don't want to compete'

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TBH training in VP to me always seemed like a silly kind of PVP. 3 classes get invulnerability and hugely overpowered weapons; the other classes get nothing and get to run around the entrance and try not to die. I suppose this is a lot of fun if you are an FD class, but it's REAL hard for me to see how this kind of pseudo-PVP is within the vision of Verant. I mean everything they have written about the subject is how they didn't want their game to be like UO.

Also Jeremy I think if you really thought about what you were saying you'd realize that the 'competitive EQ' that occurs on this server is beyond dumb. Aside from the utterly retarded tracking and batphoning, EQ is simply not designed for multiple competing raid forces in the same zone. If you clear you'll just get leapfrogged, so everyone tries to train away and sneak out the boss and it all comes down to who has the good monk/sk team and who can plausibly deny training the other squad.

One of the things that boggles my mind the most is that the staff are ok with the current raid scene. AFAIK Nilbog doesn't really like it, but he'd rather work on Velious; Rogean doesn't really like it, but he's busy with his job; but amazing Sirken and Ephi and the GM team actually approve of the current raid scene and that just boggles my mind.

inb4 'you just don't want to compete'

This is what bothers me most. Sirken has shown by his attitude towards things that he likes this kind of EQ. Ephi i really havent seen a stance on as far as i know. You would think GM's would want a civil game but apparently they grew up on servers were the hardcores rules the scene and thats how they think the game should be played.

[Brut]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TBH training in VP to me always seemed like a silly kind of PVP. 3 classes get invulnerability and hugely overpowered weapons; the other classes get nothing and get to run around the entrance and try not to die. I suppose this is a lot of fun if you are an FD class, but it's REAL hard for me to see how this kind of pseudo-PVP is within the vision of Verant. I mean everything they have written about the subject is how they didn't want their game to be like UO.

This. Idiotic meta-pvp perfectly describes the whole thing.

It's like trying to play an FPS where all the weapons are banned. Some moron figures out he can kill people by shoving them off cliffsides and goes on to sit there 2years mastering the cliff-shoving-arts. Meanwhile anyone with a brain cell functioning in their head left to play a game where you can just shoot the enemies.

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

extended windows prevent general poopsocking and promote competition.

Tbh I recall there being 2-3 more guilds that you saw more frequently getting mobs prior to the window extensions. Poopsocking's dumb and all, but you can't really go claiming that the amount of competition has gone up due to the window extensions.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This. Idiotic meta-pvp perfectly describes the whole thing.

It's like trying to play an FPS where all the weapons are banned. Some moron figures out he can kill people by shoving them off cliffsides and goes on to sit there 2years mastering the cliff-shoving-arts. Meanwhile anyone with a brain cell functioning in their head left to play a game where you can just shoot the enemies.

Better cliff shoving game: dark messiah of might and magic. Aka kick people off the cliff simulator.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This. Idiotic meta-pvp perfectly describes the whole thing.

It's like trying to play an FPS where all the weapons are banned. Some moron figures out he can kill people by shoving them off cliffsides and goes on to sit there 2years mastering the cliff-shoving-arts. Meanwhile anyone with a brain cell functioning in their head left to play a game where you can just shoot the enemies.




Tbh I recall there being 2-3 more guilds that you saw more frequently getting mobs prior to the window extensions. Poopsocking's dumb and all, but you can't really go claiming that the amount of competition has gone up due to the window extensions.

That i attributed to burnout and attrition, and the whole IB situation and that whole deal.

Most of us have beaten kunark. We aren't psychotic enough to do the same thing over and over and over and over.