Drama

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

<snip>

TLDR version:

"oh i claimed the camp cuz you left, but um, hey i gotta leave the zone in order to clear it myself, so...... yeah, don't do what I just did to you guys, because I am only leaving the camp for X amount of time, not Y amount of time like you did, so the camp is still mine, right guys? riiiggggghht?? hey guys?? why are you killing my mob????? I zoned but its still mine dudes. we had an agreementttttt!!! You know the one I had to make with you in order to even get the next PH spawn because I have to zone to clear the camp and I know damn well i would lose rights to that camp without me making some sort of agreement with you first??????"

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TLDR version:

"oh i claimed the camp cuz you left, but um, hey i gotta leave the zone in order to clear it myself, so...... yeah, don't do what I just did to you guys, because I am only leaving the camp for X amount of time, not Y amount of time like you did, so the camp is still mine, right guys? riiiggggghht?? hey guys?? why are you killing my mob????? I zoned but its still mine dudes. we had an agreementttttt!!! You know the one I had to make with you in order to even get the next PH spawn because I have to zone to clear the camp and I know damn well i would lose rights to that camp without me making some sort of agreement with you first??????"

You were better off going with the overly formal legalized arguments, even though this clearly isn't a debate regarding the rules of the server, but rather the ethics involved. Sorry some solo plat farmer pissed in your corn flakes, but not all cases are the same.

[Daldolma]

By the way, if we're going to delve into the letter of the law, nobody owns the Quillmane camp, or the AC camp in SRo. That doesn't mean you're not a douchebag if you know a guy has been tracking and killing PHs for 4 hours, but you see Quillmane pop and down his ass. You're in total compliance with server rules. And you're a dick. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[President]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By the way, if we're going to delve into the letter of the law, nobody owns the Quillmane camp, or the AC camp in SRo. That doesn't mean you're not a douchebag if you know a guy has been tracking and killing PHs for 4 hours, but you see Quillmane pop and down his ass. You're in total compliance with server rules. And you're a dick. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Which is the point many of us have made. Shewz was in compliance with the server rules, but somewhat dickish for not handing the camp back when the CR'ing group showed up.

The group was in compliance with the server rules when they engaged the mob after Shewz zoned out, but they were also dickish for doing so.

What I find interesting, after both groups being dicks, that they still offered a roll off which Shewz lost.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which is the point many of us have made. Shewz was in compliance with the server rules, but somewhat dickish for not handing the camp back when the CR'ing group showed up.

The group was in compliance with the server rules when they engaged the mob after Shewz zoned out, but they were also dickish for doing so.

What I find interesting, after both groups being dicks, that they still offered a roll off which Shewz lost.

The difference is that the enchanter took the camp after a significant amount of time, and without prior knowledge. It was 20+ minutes. And there's no evidence that he knew the group had been there. Only after he had done a significant amount of work to clear the PH did the group return. It is only fair that he's afforded the very minimal courtesy of owning the rights to his one re-pop. It's not fair for him to do 20 minutes worth of work only to have a group show up and claim his prize. The group had been there longer, they owned the camp: fine. He agreed to that. But he owned the one re-pop that he had just cleared for. Both sides of that, IMO, represent the most fair solution.

The unfortunate fact is that his 1/100 chance of the King spawning with the Mithril 2-hander hit, and the group -- recognizing their position of power over a slower-working, more vulnerable solo'er -- stole the mob when given the opportunity.

Had the enchanter been waiting for the camp, watched the group wipe, and then swooped in, I would have been a lot closer to your point of view: an eye for an eye, basically. But that's not what happened, according to available evidence. He just stumbled upon what he very reasonably deemed an open camp, and he took it. When he was alerted that it was not, in fact, an open camp, he agreed to relinquish it, only claiming the rights to one mob that he had spent the past 15-20 minutes clearing for. I don't see that as being a dick, I really don't.

[President]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference is that the enchanter took the camp after a significant amount of time, and without prior knowledge. It was 20+ minutes. And there's no evidence that he knew the group had been there. Only after he had done a significant amount of work to clear the PH did the group return. It is only fair that he's afforded the very minimal courtesy of owning the rights to his one re-pop. It's not fair for him to do 20 minutes worth of work only to have a group show up and claim his prize. The group had been there longer, they owned the camp: fine. He agreed to that. But he owned the one re-pop that he had just cleared for. Both sides of that, IMO, represent the most fair solution.

The unfortunate fact is that his 1/100 chance of the King spawning with the Mithril 2-hander hit, and the group -- recognizing their position of power over a slower-working, more vulnerable solo'er -- stole the mob when given the opportunity.

Had the enchanter been waiting for the camp, watched the group wipe, and then swooped in, I would have been a lot closer to your point of view: an eye for an eye, basically. But that's not what happened, according to available evidence. He just stumbled upon what he very reasonably deemed an open camp, and he took it. When he was alerted that it was not, in fact, an open camp, he agreed to relinquish it, only claiming the rights to one mob that he had spent the past 15-20 minutes clearing for. I don't see that as being a dick, I really don't.

Need before greed. Someone in the group needed it, the enchanter did not. I really don't care that he gave it to a guildie, he basically had to at this point to make himself look better.

[astarothel]

Only reason not to call a cc in lguk is if you want to snag something surreptitiously.

[darkblade717]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference is that the enchanter took the camp after a significant amount of time, and without prior knowledge. It was 20+ minutes. And there's no evidence that he knew the group had been there. Only after he had done a significant amount of work to clear the PH did the group return. It is only fair that he's afforded the very minimal courtesy of owning the rights to his one re-pop. It's not fair for him to do 20 minutes worth of work only to have a group show up and claim his prize. The group had been there longer, they owned the camp: fine. He agreed to that. But he owned the one re-pop that he had just cleared for. Both sides of that, IMO, represent the most fair solution.

The unfortunate fact is that his 1/100 chance of the King spawning with the Mithril 2-hander hit, and the group -- recognizing their position of power over a slower-working, more vulnerable solo'er -- stole the mob when given the opportunity.

Had the enchanter been waiting for the camp, watched the group wipe, and then swooped in, I would have been a lot closer to your point of view: an eye for an eye, basically. But that's not what happened, according to available evidence. He just stumbled upon what he very reasonably deemed an open camp, and he took it. When he was alerted that it was not, in fact, an open camp, he agreed to relinquish it, only claiming the rights to one mob that he had spent the past 15-20 minutes clearing for. I don't see that as being a dick, I really don't.

They had to have been lying, it doesn't take nearly that long to do a CR for king.

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By the way, if we're going to delve into the letter of the law, nobody owns the Quillmane camp, or the AC camp in SRo.

AC is one mob placeholder every 30.666 minutes. That's easily claimable. People seem to think you have to clear everything in SRo for it, yet it's a single spawn node. Quillmane has multiple spawn nodes and points, so that's a little different.

[President]

It's also worth noting that they discussed taking the camp back after the enchanter messed up BEFORE the mith 2h spawned.