Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, so shaman can provide slightly more camp options...but as PlsNoBan has pointed out, that is so niche that shaman is still more irrelevant than mage if all they want is some extra DPS.

You've now switched from the root rotting argument, which you know is utterly flawed, to now saying that shaman "opens up more potential doors".

As I've said: this is a never-ending circle of insanity. You'll keep switching from one argument to another when one fails, and then go back to the same one when we've poked holes in that one. You deliberately frustrate your opponent, and then claim "SEE?! YOU'RE TROLLING!" when they tell you to piss off.

How do you not see you've lost the argument? I call your bluff.

This is all nonsense. If you want to know my experience (which cannot be proven with data), that has been my experience. I am not switching arguments, I have said all of this before many times. You haven't read my posts, which is why you think I am switching arguments, or root rotting is my primary argument. Root rotting isn't even included in my data lol.

I have played with the top guilds and highly skilled players. I have been on this server for years. People don't care that much about DPS. It isn't as important as safety and camp options. The reality is group content is tuned for players with average/below average gear, but most people are using gear that is above the tuned levels. So its much easier to hit optimal DPS breakpoints with all sorts of group combinations. We are not playing in 1999 where everybodies gear sucks, which is when a Mage shines.

[Gloomlord]

Well, why even bring up root rotting, regardless? All it does is serve to make you look like an even bigger idiot.

If root rotting is not included in your data, and your data says that mage still does a fair bit more, then you yourself have provided evidence that shaman is unwarranted in a group which includes an enchanter and cleric, the strongest duo in the game.

I'd wager most people in this thread, too, are highly skilled and have played P99 for years. Nearly every single one of them disagrees with you. Your "appeal to authority" fallacy has no merit here.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, why even bring up root rotting, regardless? All it does is serve to make you look like an even bigger idiot.

If root rotting is not included in your data, and your data says that mage still does a fair bit more, then you yourself have provided evidence that shaman is unwarranted in a group which includes an enchanter and cleric, the strongest duo in the game.

I'd wager most people in this thread, too, are highly skilled and have played P99 for years. Nearly every single one of them disagrees with you. Your "appeal to authority" fallacy has no merit here.

You haven't been reading. The only point I am making about root rotting is if people are only killing trash (a trvial exercise), you can root rot. This is why talking about chain pulling with a mage is not a good argument for Mages. Shamans can also clear mobs quickly when the encounter is trivial. Your opinion about it doesn't change the facts.

The only reason why we are stuck on chain pulling is because it is the only situation where the DPS gap is 30. You want to keep the conversation there because it benefits you. On mobs that take 1 minute and 30 seconds to kill or longer, the DPS gap can shrink to as low as 7 DPS if the mob is slowed.

[PlsNoBan]

DSM (and only DSM): The thought of shamans in everquest give me an erection. I believe they are the best answer to every question. The only thing that makes me harder than shamans is posting bad data and doing lots of math on it to prove why shamans are the answer to every question. I will come up with every possible niche situation/circumstance to further this point that I possibly can. I will post about this 600+ times in 1 thread being extremely obtuse and obnoxious about my outlandish claims until everyone is so fed up with my bullshit that they can no longer respond politely. I will continue posting the same shit 1000+ times if I have to. I won't stop posting til everyone else gives up out of frustration and that is how I will win this internet battle. Centuries from now people will look at the post history and one thing will be clear: I am correct and shamans are the best.

Everyone else: That's retarded

DSM: Stop calling me names. Post history is clear. Look at all my bad copy pasted data and faulty logic. Everyone is wrong and I am right. Here's more copy pasted useless data that doesn't matter and everyone knows is wrong. I bet this will convince everyone that I am correct.

[Troxx]

A trip down memory lane …

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM (and only DSM): The thought of shamans in everquest give me an erection. I believe they are the best answer to every question. The only thing that makes me harder than shamans is posting bad data and doing lots of math on it to prove why shamans are the answer to every question. I will come up with every possible niche situation/circumstance to further this point that I possibly can. I will post about this 600+ times in 1 thread being extremely obtuse and obnoxious about my outlandish claims until everyone is so fed up with my bullshit that they can no longer respond politely. I will continue posting the same shit 1000+ times if I have to. I won't stop posting til everyone else gives up out of frustration and that is how I will win this internet battle. Centuries from now people will look at the post history and one thing will be clear: I am correct and shamans are the best.

Everyone else: That's retarded

DSM: Stop calling me names. Post history is clear. Look at all my bad copy pasted data and faulty logic. Everyone is wrong and I am right. Here's more copy pasted useless data that doesn't matter and everyone knows is wrong. I bet this will convince everyone that I am correct.

Page 173. I figure will have caught up to the present day sometime by this weekend. Re-reading this thread is a hoot

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Troxx is talking to himself again. He will continue to highlight other troll comments people have made in the thread. How he thinks this will help him is beyond me. It just shows yet again how a large portion of this thread is just nonsense.

It is very sad to watch to be honest. He can't convince people with facts, evidence, and logic, so he is reduced to this.

At least he has admitted there is no pocket character restriction. One contentious point out of the way.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only people who are going to lose credit are the trolls. That is your "victory".

200+ troll posts from PlsNoBan that are just insults/memes. Mostly accusing me of autism (big yikes).

200+ troll posts from Troxx that are just insults/memes.

100+ posts of complete nonsense from Cyxthryth.

50+ posts from Gloomlord that are just insults/memes.

40+ posts from Karanis that are just insults/memes.

40+ posts from Toxigen that are just insults/memes.

40+ posts from Ripqozko that are just insults/memes.

20+ posts from Chortles Snortles that are just insults/memes.

You and your troll friends have accumulated 700+ posts that are literally just insults and memes. You turned this thread into an RnF thread. That is a terrible look. I'll take my post history any day. I am not sure why you think you can just hide this.

You don't get to "win" a debate by simply drowning out other people's information in trolling. I have actual data and math backing up my information, you don't. Admit you are wrong or actually contribute to the conversation.

[PlsNoBan]

Oh god... I'm gonna lose credit on elf sim forums? I honestly have no idea how I will be able to overcome this obstacle

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh god... I'm gonna lose credit on elf sim forums? I honestly have no idea how I will be able to overcome this obstacle

If you didn't care about these elf forums, you would have stopped posting a long time ago. Your actions bely your meme post.

[PlsNoBan]

I come here to talk elfquest and bullshit. It's entertainment and nothing more. Your antics are like watching a trainwreck and I can't look away. I'm not sure if you legitimately have mental problems or not. I might feel slightly bad if you actually do. There's been some stuff you've said that made me go "Jesus maybe he really does?" but until I know otherwise I'm just gonna assume you're just an extremely hard headed moron with lots of stupid ideas and feel perfectly comfortable making fun of you for them.

If you think I give a single ounce of a single fuck what anyone here thinks about me? I'm afraid that JUST MIGHT be the dumbest thought you've had yet. My credit with you or anyone else here means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and I promise you that <3