I hate this perma-camping shit

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

If you're there, and can control it and engage the mob within a reasonable time, ie not waiting for help, it's yours. IT can be abused but shrug. I never actually had to experience guilds camping a mob and farming it, guilds would have a group down, if they needed a person you jumped in and got at the end of the line. The understanding was you stayed on after you had yours if group needed you usually.

I don't see why it's so hard to just be mature and unselfish.... I got all that immaturity out of my system the first few months of 99...

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I should also note if someone was enough of a jackass, I can use fd to deadly effect. Got warned for threatening it once after that, no more threats. Just action. But if they got the camp, they got the camp. Guilds should work together and gear each other up, cuz they will need it for tougher mobs etc. Problem is tv killed the radio, and I was never a fan of enclosed enviroments such as guilds that only interacted with guilds.

I guess my classic eq experience was alot different then most, because if what I hear about is how those people want it, go back to live and don't ruin this for everyone else!


It sucks sometimes, but no system other then mine is perfect. Shaere da 'loot!

[vinx]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Get serious. I was on the good team. I've been trained, corpse camped, manaburned, feared underwater, harm touched by four SKs at the same time, chain stunned by a pair of enchanters, you name it. I went into neutral and evil territories alone and almost never got rezes and I fought every day, so because of the xp loss on death, I leveled up about three times over.

And I talked shit back to whoever was kicking my ass the entire time and kicked plenty of ass of my own. I was top ten in kills for a long time even after I quit.

idk why people from Rz/Sz think the rest of us didnt go thru the same things.
we had to bag our gear to for a few weeks, had same ruleset beside level spread and alot of us adjusted just fine.
i done even know why they stopped the loot items on other servers, cept maybe alot of QQin from general populations idk, but those 2 rules are the only thing that seperated us. well maybe deity but eh, same thing as race /shrug

but srsly people, get over yourselves.

[darkblade717]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So in live you had GMs regulating who had a rightful claim to a camp and who didnt? It was so not like that on Rallos Zek and im highly doubtful that GMs had such a heavy-handed approach to camps back on live blue servers.

Can anyone confirm this?

Actually, on live we had high end guilds that were actually led by mature people, and not greedy fucks, who were capable of working out systems with other people to make sure everyone that was capable got a shot at raid targets.

[darkblade717]

Originally Posted by redghosthunter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogean, "No matter what system is in place there is always complaints about it."
/nod. but then it makes for suck funny reading

The solution will come when there is more of a world. Once Kunark hits camps will open up.

Yea, old world camps will open up, while Seb and whatever else is being perma-camped for spells/loot.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I have another response...


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[h0tr0d (shaere)]

OK that didn't work.

Now.. what you do you own the world?
How do you own disorder...disorder...

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[rioisk]

Originally Posted by 2pair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One of the main problems with this debate is there is no system besides the status quo that DA or IB will benefit from, and being that they are the main forces on this server it will be difficult to get anything done without either of them on the bandwagon.

We as Americans know the difference between the progressives and reactionaries so you have to look deep into your soul and ask yourself what you want to be: a component of change? Or be destined to wallow in the mire that you are creating?

The short sighted greed of the two major guilds on this server will cause the problems we face now to expand and grow until there are disputes between multiple guilds as to who exactly has control of whatever spawned. I mean what happens when a new guild emerges who has as much time on their hands as da/ib? what if two more incarnations came out? That means that there were 60 people in the zone from 4 different guilds and the monster spawns, who gets it?

There has to be a concrete system that comes out and the GM's just have to step in and say this is the way it is-- I'm all for democracy but when you have a bunch of squabbling bureaucrats with ulterior motives the community is the one who suffers.

At this point the major guilds are just filibustering for the present rules because in the current system provides them with whatever they want, whenever it spawns because other guilds are casual instead of wasting their lives waiting for dragons to spawn, but is that fair?


this was kinda ill conceived and im in a rush to get out the door but that's roughly my opinion

^this

[darkblade717]

Originally Posted by 2pair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One of the main problems with this debate is there is no system besides the status quo that DA or IB will benefit from, and being that they are the main forces on this server it will be difficult to get anything done without either of them on the bandwagon.

We as Americans know the difference between the progressives and reactionaries so you have to look deep into your soul and ask yourself what you want to be: a component of change? Or be destined to wallow in the mire that you are creating?

The short sighted greed of the two major guilds on this server will cause the problems we face now to expand and grow until there are disputes between multiple guilds as to who exactly has control of whatever spawned. I mean what happens when a new guild emerges who has as much time on their hands as da/ib? what if two more incarnations came out? That means that there were 60 people in the zone from 4 different guilds and the monster spawns, who gets it?

There has to be a concrete system that comes out and the GM's just have to step in and say this is the way it is-- I'm all for democracy but when you have a bunch of squabbling bureaucrats with ulterior motives the community is the one who suffers.

At this point the major guilds are just filibustering for the present rules because in the current system provides them with whatever they want, whenever it spawns because other guilds are casual instead of wasting their lives waiting for dragons to spawn, but is that fair?


this was kinda ill conceived and im in a rush to get out the door but that's roughly my opinion

I really hate to admit this but jackass is right. The current system is only favorable to IB and DA and that is 1- far from what classic was (as EQ staff/volunteers weren't allowed to play on the servers they are working on) and 2- total and complete bullshit.

I've heard claims of favoritism from staff going on with certain people in a certain dev's guild saying they won't be banned for doing illegal things because of the dev being their GM, and that right there is cause enough for something needing a serious change. The fact that someone would even THINK that they are immune to disciplinary action just because of who is in their guild is total garbage, plain and simple.

[mitic]

a guild camping 1 mob for days just to get some classic items deserves the loot. i have better things to do than sitting in a zone staring at a spawn for endless hours, but well, thats me....