Raid Changes

[karsten]

k myth and i'm glad you liked my comments but what i actually meant was the opposite, not sure if you noticed that but it's what I did

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its up to the people to decide what they respect.

They have, asshole, the leadership of Divinity and now Gothic Circle have both said they want to scrap it out and take what's theirs.

You're the only one whining.

You can try to make it seem like it was Inglourious Basterds that had the raid system changed ALL YOU WANT buddy, but some of us have an alternate view of history.

I seem to remember a day when raid bosses were NOT REGULATED by any rules except KS. There was no firm camp policy, there was no such thing. I seem to remember a certain guild thinking - for no apparent reason - that just because they put ass to floor for 24 hours, that that somehow entitled them to claim on a boss that hadn't even spawned yet.

That was ridiculous, so we forced the issue.

The GM ruled in Transcendence's favor, for WHATEVER REASON, but that does NOT FUCKING IMPLY that the rules were like that in the first place. You fucking moron.

It was only after THAT incident, and not any whining from IB, that the decision to implement the rotation was made public.

2 things:
a.) The "old way" (old system would be a misnomer) WAS THE PROBLEM. It required GM involvement every time. You guys were given Nagafen on a ONE TIME basis in respect for your time spent (or whatEVER), there was never "camping" allowed on raid mobs, and no amount of QQ will ever make that true.
b.) The GM's (Aeolwind and Wenai) stated then that the rotation was a temporary solution, sticking a finger in the dike (^^), to end the need for GM intervention. This rule was NOT IMPLEMENTED because of any amount of bitching, no matter how romantic that sounds in your novel.

You, here, now.. ..it's just fucking hilarious.

Please keep QQ'ing, I'm getting really stoned, and this is fucking awesome.

[Taluvill]

IB and you guys Whined and cried because we could camp a mob for a long time. Big whoop. So you almost trained/killed us/KS'ed us because you guys decided the rules didn't apply to you. I specifically remember Wenai saying that. They changed to a rotation because you guys were going overboard.


An entire guild cannot be in, now, 4 zones at once with 6 boss mobs, nor can any single guild camp 6 bosses (assuming that you can only call one boss at a time) for 24 hours every day of the week. It just isnt happening.

If people want to camp, everyone can strategically decided what 2-3 mobs are worth their time that week, and go after them. Using a normal, classic system, Guilds like Gothic Circle or Europa can have a shot at mobs with camping.

If a guild camps a mob for a week, they aren't getting other spawns artard. So if they want to really waste their ENTIRE week (meaning they have no job/wife/anything to do) on one mob, then they can.



Bring back regular spawns with set camping rules (IE: Must have 20 Present at the encounter to claim it. You then move out to a pull spot when your about 30 minutes from the pop, buff and get ready, it pops, it dies)

And i would like to hear the opinion of another guild other than IB trying to drown out an idea that they disagree with. Lets hear all sides. If GC and Div and company would rather keep it the way it is... with 3 am dragon raids that 99% of the server cant attend or even attempt to kill (its 10 years later, not everyone is 18. I am, but most people here aren't and didnt play this game when they were 8) because of what i just mentioned in parenthesis, and because they have jobs, families, kids...



Just a bunch of stuff to think about. What Myth said is 100% true.

[karsten]

talu your opinion is also valid along with that of mythoxxus and I value them both greatly due to their unbiased style and concise flow of thought-process

[karsten]

oh, also, I'm glad that we can finally have a nuanced, civil talk about this important issue, and I'm certain that real change will be the fruit of our labor

[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

talu your opinion is also valid along with that of mythoxxus and I value them both greatly due to their unbiased style and concise flow of thought-process

How is it biased when only IB gets raid mobs at the moment?

I believe we speak for most of the server here. I think you guys jumped on and got all on the defensive because if this goes through, you guys will not get every single boss that ever spawns.

Turn off /greed and stop being jackasses and look at the situation from an outsiders point of view:

We have 30 people that don't jobs, real lives, girls(ouch), school, or whatever it may be for your particular situation. EQ is your priority in life and you guys make it that way. This band of 30 adventurers gets every major boss spawn, raid target, or what have you, on a daily basis, with raids happening anywhere from 3pm to 3am because this group can sport 30 at a raid at any point in the day or any section of the week.

If you dont think THAT is biased, look in the mirror.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you guys decided the rules didn't apply to you.

There were no rules except "don't KS" which applied to that situation.

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bring back regular spawns with set camping rules (IE: Must have 20 Present at the encounter to claim it. You then move out to a pull spot when your about 30 minutes from the pop, buff and get ready, it pops, it dies)

You can say "bring back" as many times as you want, blowhard. No amount of repetition will change the fact that no such rules existed. What you are proposing here is an ENTIRELY NEW SYSTEM. I don't have any problem with that, but call a duck a duck and stop trying to change history.

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What Myth said is 100% true.

Yes, Tallivul, we know that you think you can wish things true.

Here is one you might find more useful to your immediate situation:

Transcendence is NOT a dead guild wildly heaving in its dying throes, and they really WILL get a raid mob some day.

Say it enough times, and it just might come true.

[Dukat]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Say it enough times, and it just might come true.

Nah, you've been saying dumb stuff for months now and all of it is still false.

[Taluvill]

Sorry, this one was a bit too much to just go to bed over heh.

Transcendence is NOT a dead guild wildly heaving in its dying throes, and they really WILL get a raid mob some day.

No, we are not a dead guild. VERY Far from it. Ask our members if we're dead. Any one of us can tell you just how we're doing.

You can say "bring back" as many times as you want, blowhard. No amount of repetition will change the fact that no such rules existed. What you are proposing here is an ENTIRELY NEW SYSTEM. I don't have any problem with that, but call a duck a duck and stop trying to change history.

The idea is that spawn variance isn't classic, and I personally feel that im asking for the old ways back with a few amendments to appease people who disliked parts of the quote on quote "ruleset" (you say there wasnt one except for KSing).

We're just looking for something that is fair and balanced for all. While some think this is, and in a perfect world, this is a great system. Problem is, with 3rd party hacks, this isn't a perfect world. In a perfect world, every country would have some form of communism too. Great on paper, bad in practice.

[Deanob]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB and you guys Whined and cried because we could camp a mob for a long time. Big whoop. So you almost trained/killed us/KS'ed us because you guys decided the rules didn't apply to you. I specifically remember Wenai saying that. They changed to a rotation because you guys were going overboard.


An entire guild cannot be in, now, 4 zones at once with 6 boss mobs, nor can any single guild camp 6 bosses (assuming that you can only call one boss at a time) for 24 hours every day of the week. It just isnt happening.

If people want to camp, everyone can strategically decided what 2-3 mobs are worth their time that week, and go after them. Using a normal, classic system, Guilds like Gothic Circle or Europa can have a shot at mobs with camping.

If a guild camps a mob for a week, they aren't getting other spawns artard. So if they want to really waste their ENTIRE week (meaning they have no job/wife/anything to do) on one mob, then they can.



Bring back regular spawns with set camping rules (IE: Must have 20 Present at the encounter to claim it. You then move out to a pull spot when your about 30 minutes from the pop, buff and get ready, it pops, it dies)

And i would like to hear the opinion of another guild other than IB trying to drown out an idea that they disagree with. Lets hear all sides. If GC and Div and company would rather keep it the way it is... with 3 am dragon raids that 99% of the server cant attend or even attempt to kill (its 10 years later, not everyone is 18. I am, but most people here aren't and didnt play this game when they were 8) because of what i just mentioned in parenthesis, and because they have jobs, families, kids...



Just a bunch of stuff to think about. What Myth said is 100% true.

Tal no offense man but u were like level 2 when that rotation shit happened. I'd stfu