FTE is Fing stupid

[quido]

I still have my surname - look at my sig. That's how I appear in game.

[Ravager]

I have images off, so maybe I'm missing out [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[quido]

My sig is text only, except for a smiley. It actually used to have four smileys in it, but they don't allow that anymore =(

[Ravager]

For some reason I'm not seeing it, maybe I turned off sigs too.

[Vandy]

Another big problem here is that accounts are free there is no subscription so the buying/selling of accounts is widespread. People buy up massive numbers of accounts and then you can have a toon parked at every raid mob you want and ready to go while you play your others. Not having to pay $10/month per account. I would assume that a majority of people who are casual don't have 5+ level 55+ accounts that they can just park everywhere and be ready to go when a raid mob spawns.

[Pringles]

Originally Posted by Vandy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another big problem here is that accounts are free there is no subscription so the buying/selling of accounts is widespread. People buy up massive numbers of accounts and then you can have a toon parked at every raid mob you want and ready to go while you play your others. Not having to pay $10/month per account. I would assume that a majority of people who are casual don't have 5+ level 55+ accounts that they can just park everywhere and be ready to go when a raid mob spawns.

I suspect that certain guilds collectively own many of these characters to park at said spawns to login at a moments notice. Its easy to pay for a well geared character with just one mob drop. This way you need only a handful of mains to be there to loot up what they have been waiting for, while the rest of the "expendable" accounts login to help with the kill... and since anyone can log them in at any time..... easy work, and poopsocking is null and void.

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Pringles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suspect that certain guilds collectively own many of these characters to park at said spawns to login at a moments notice. Its easy to pay for a well geared character with just one mob drop. This way you need only a handful of mains to be there to loot up what they have been waiting for, while the rest of the "expendable" accounts login to help with the kill... and since anyone can log them in at any time..... easy work, and poopsocking is null and void.

your suspicions are pretty accurate

[quido]

I sure wish I'd had a bunch of plat during The Great Exoduses =P

[Camulet]

I havent had much experience with raiding on P99 - but I played on Veeshan in Circle of Eternity (arguable 2nd best guild on the server) and I remember FoH setting up a rotation on mobs and being fairly reasonable. Never experienced this kind of behaviour and from an outside perspective some of these posts sound pretty immature.

OP seems to be a reasonable solution to a problem. Yes maybe not a TMO problem but I for one want to raid when I get to the appropriate level and if I cant do my epic or get items I want because one guild has it all on lock down - ill probably call it quits which I presume happens to alot of people if they cant achieve their goals.

So for server health a more mature attitude would be beneficial.

FYI I have grouped with TMO and BDA people and found them all to be nice so I presume the immature attitudes are a select few and limited to the raid scene.

Zar /wink

[Xanthias]

Originally Posted by Acillatem [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Speaking strictly from the point of view of someone who has handled Rotation discussions in the past:

In order for a rotation to be warranted, 3 things need to happen:

* The rotation is fair for all parties involved.
* "Not having to poopsock" outweighs, or at least evens out the "loss of mobs" for the Guild(s) in primary control. In this case, Trak/VS, but also the ability to mobilize on OTHER mobs while camped out/socking.
* Does not eliminate "the thrill of the chase".

Look at past rotations that worked on P99 (Ragefire, VP, Trak). They met all 3 conditions and that is why they were successful. Enter BDA. Inconsistent competition outside of VS/Trak, and as far as competition on VS/Trak, unless I miscounted our DKP logs, you're shooting at roughly 20%.

*What you ask for is NOT fair to TMO at this point.

*A 1:4 win ratio on Trak/VS is not enough to put TMO in a position where a rotation is a better solution to camping at ledge or socking

*What you ask for eliminates too much of the chase (if limiting to Trak/VS then I would consider that acceptable - however I'm not in a position to make that decision)

*And tbh, BDA isn't to the point where TMO having a raid force camped out is detrimental to our performance on other mobs

Fix those 4 things, and then you at least put yourself in a position to suggest a rotation without so much backlash.

Velious is the big stink right now. On Live, if you were in a semi-casual guild - you knew that you had to wait your turn for content. You knew this going in and it wasn't a big deal. Kunark dropped and you got a little taste of Vanilla. Velious dropped and you got a taste of Kunark etc. It was never a huge issue becuz by the time a new expansion dropped, casuals were barely reaching max level etc of the previous expansion anyways so rarely was there this much "head butting" going on.

With this server maxing at Level 60, and Velious waaaaaaay behind schedule, and with us knowing ZEMs, and where to level, and PLs and twinkage etc....even casuals can be sitting at 60 (with an alt lol) and getting frustrated with the simple lack of something to do.

Compound that with the fact TMO still needs mobs like Draco and Maestro. We've had ONE BCG drop in the past TWO MONTHS - So it's not just for alts and shit like everyone "assumes".....these mobs still have items (in some cases BIS items) needed by MANY mains (not just a few people here and there).