Where did WoW go right? - Page 15

Atmas · #**141** 08-22-2012, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Difficulty as in, dodgding attacks, room movements, room transformation, vehicles (eh..), phases, positioning, constant movement. Being alert and responsive at ALL times, no sitting and medding after each nuke. Managing mana was very important during some encounters as well since you can't sit and med. There is a lot more than just pushing a rotation, but you raided in WoW right(You didn't.), so you know this I assume?

Corpse runs and xp loss are fun? They give an "oh crap I better be careful" feeling, which is ok, but going all out and being wild and trying new things with smaller penalties can be fun too, right?

Yes about 1-10 seconds worth...

Because the majority of people like to get to the much more exciting and involved end game than the leveling process. Especially newer players trying to catch up to their friends. It's the same damn thing anyway, in EQ you grind pointlessly, in WoW you grind with an objective, it's still a grind.

Most quests in EQ are also trivial and pointless, or have very small risk/time vs reward in the long run.

Oh boohoo, now you're crying about addons? Fun fact: Addons work off of log files and combat cues which are already displayed in the client one way or another. Addons just help visualize many things and make them easier to understand. Why is helping a tank maintain aggro more consistently bad? You like to pull aggro and wipe? Are you kidding me? You also played a Mage, not some sort of tank. If you think tanking in EQ is the least bit difficult, you are a fool.

Once again you come up with a stupid post. Well done. You flip flop all over with your opinions, and still find the need to make all of these comparisons to a game you know little about (end game wise).

QFT, the minority of MMO players who hate WoW always seem to be the most vocal though of course.

Its funny cause I don't hate WoW but you kieep drawing stupid conclusions. The vast majority of both EQ and WoW isn't challenging. I'm sorry if you had trouble doing the dance in Nax. From your assesment of what is difficult in WoW it sounds like you were the guy constantly dieing to lack of awarness.

I guess the reaosn I conclude EQ to be difficult is that neither of the parts of WoW or EQ that are in your control are very difficult. So all that is left is RNG.

Vehicles.. oh the lulz....

Atmas · #**142** 08-22-2012, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bluntfang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reading comprehension fail.

Yes, you have had several.

Atmas · #**143** 08-22-2012, 08:16 PM

You guys want hard go play Darksouls. Trying to claim a game that 12 million play is hard because the top end encounters have you do repetitive patterns of dodging is difficult is fail.

bluntfang · #**144** 08-22-2012, 08:19 PM

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You guys want hard go play Darksouls. Trying to claim a game that 12 million play is hard because the top end encounters have you do repetitive patterns of dodging is difficult is fail.

Darksouls isn't hard, I've beaten it 20+ times. It's pattern learning, being familiar with your equipment, environment, and enemies. I had no difficultly with the game (minus a few bosses) after about 5-10 hours play time.

You obviously haven't played dark souls, considering it's all repetive patterns of dodging.

Atmas · #**145** 08-22-2012, 08:25 PM

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Notice in my post I put: vehicles (eh..). I was never thrilled with the vehicles, but it did add more mechanics to the game, and they have been improved too honestly.

The only way to die in an EQ raid is lack of awareness as well for your information. You didn't raid in WoW, now I don't think you raided in EQ either, I fail to see how you have an educated opinion on anything.

Well then it is established what you think is stupid. Sorry if that doesn't have a graph or chart with it but after being disproven you keep squawking that like a broken record with no evidence.

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You can keep insulting people's "reading comprehension" and whatnot, but he's right. Honestly, your posts are a mess of terrible spelling, made up words, and awful grammatical errors. Yes this is just a video game forum, but before you insult someone on those levels, check yourself. (before you wreck yoself)

Well he has twice accused me of trying to discredit people by saying they didn't play certain games. Which you just did for the third time. Seeing how he can't even differentiate (not a made up word just because you don't know it) between the two of us it is hard to take that seriously.

bluntfang · #**146** 08-22-2012, 08:27 PM

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Well then it is established what you think is stupid. Sorry if that doesn't have a graph or chart with it but after being disproven you keep squawking that like a broken record with no evidence.

Well he has twice accused me of trying to discredit people by saying they didn't play certain games. Which you just did for the third time. Seeing how he can't even differentiate (not a made up word just because you don't know it) between the two of us it is hard to take that seriously.

Hey you're making personal attacks instead of addressing the content again.

Diggles · #**147** 08-22-2012, 08:30 PM

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Want a survey? The current subscription rate of WoW vs EQLive. Or how about subscription rates of both games at their peak population.

Problem with that is that EQ at its peak was amazing for any other mmo on the market, and any game in general that had more than 100k players was god tier (i believe EQ peaked at 500k-600k. That popularity brought MMOs to the spotlight, where WoW's vanilla market (log in for 15 minutes, have fun, log off) took over because EQ was still heavy in the "hard core" market. And WoW had a following from WC3/SC

bluntfang · #**148** 08-22-2012, 08:34 PM

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Problem with that is that EQ at its peak was amazing for any other mmo on the market, and any game in general that had more than 100k players was god tier (i believe EQ peaked at 500k-600k. That popularity brought MMOs to the spotlight, where WoW's vanilla market (log in for 15 minutes, have fun, log off) took over because EQ was still heavy in the "hard core" market. And WoW had a following from WC3/SC

The point still stands that WoW had a greater subscription rate than EQ did (this is probably true for any point in WoWs life), which is the point and why we're trying to have a discussion about where WoW went right (well I guess that was over a long time ago though).

Diggles · #**149** 08-22-2012, 08:37 PM

The problem with that is you're trying to compare sub rates when the games were practically in a different era. If EQ jumped out in 2004 when the market was ripe for the picking we'd have a whole different story.

also I have endgame experience (wotlk :3)

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Begson/simple

Atmas · #**150** 08-22-2012, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You posted before about wanting to just delete your previous posts in this thread. Well how about you walk your ass on out of here then once and for all. At this point, you're flip flopping all over the place, and just seem to be responding purely out of defense for yourself. You aren't making any new or useful points, you aren't responding to any points, and are literally just adding to your post count.

You also posted your WoW armory don't forget, so we have facts that you have little to no end game WoW experience (regular dungeons lol). Move on already.

Also, don't try and insult my intelligence acting like I don't know what differentiate means. As I said before, You can't spell, even with built in auto-correct, and your posts are just a mess most of the time. Let's not forget made up words like "projectionalism".

Actually I wrote projectionism. I think I should have said you are projecting, but either way you are wrong again. You couldn't even cut and paste. You also obviously have never seen my WoW armory because it is not accessible due to inactivity.