Where did WoW go right?

[lawll]

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Oh god... I want one!

[Messianic]

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[lawll]

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I don't get it.....

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by lawll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't get it.....

Rift is basically a wow clone.

[Houdiny]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rift is basically a wow clone.

What I played of Rift (max level, GSB raiding, and HK+ some scattered events) was much like my experience in WoW. Short lived. And easy. Didn't hold my interest very long.

[rubinoff]

Its clear that no one posting here has high end raiding exp in both WOW and EQ other than square. Everything in WOW is significantly harder than EQ (other than the simple time required to do things). Cast sit cast sit cast sit, totally hard. Camp mob for hours at a time until spawn, impossibly hard. Die and CR while pissed off, hard. Square has stated it several times but just to clarify there is one big difference between WOW and EQ. Leveling is a major part of the total game experience in EQ, leveling in WOW doesn't mean anything other than to prepare you for the real game which starts at max level.

For a long time WOW had a great balance of what a casual player could do, a regular player, and a hard core player but sadly, starting with the sunwell debuff, blizzard decided $$$$$$ was more important that any thing else. The more stuff a bad player or casual player can do (and be rewarded like an elite player) the more bad and casual players would subscribe. We all know there are a lot more terrible/casual players than hardcore/or good players.

As for my vaulted raiding exp, did plenty of kunark velious and luclin on EQ, my RL friend is Dalnoth of Triality who some of you might know... so I got to see a lot of end game content (AUTO ATTACK LOL) after I quit.

In WOW I played a warrior. I cleared MC before BWL came out, cleared BWL before AQ 40, cleared aq 40 and naxx (before BC). In pvp I hit rank 11.

During BC i cleared kara -> BT in the appropriate order same as vanilla(including the annoying key/vial quests, Hand of Adal, etc). Duelist in s1-s3. Rage quit after not getting glad for the 3rd time and burn out off clearing BT. Came back did some sunwell and s4 quit again.

When wrath came out I bought it and played my alt a rogue. Cleared naxx with hardmodes (lol so hard) Did some legit hardmodes (nightfall title) and arena up to duelist ranking again but quit again, game looked to be going the wrong way.

Came back for one month and did some uld hardmodes quit again. Came back for two month during cata such an awful joke. Leveled my priest up to 85 did the entire deathwing thing without even reading strats full clear first time. Sat in a bg and healed for 10min without dieing with 2 dps on me. WOW is just awful now its sad...

I think this gives me a pretty good perspective with NO BS about what I have seen in both games, and square is dead on correct really.

[Sebastionleo]

I've killed Lich King, Emp Ssra, all POP raid bosses, NToV. I've done end game raiding on both, and I agree, raiding on WoW is much more difficult than EQ raids. Its not difficult to get 100+ people and zerg Xegony, etc.

[Dirtnap]

The issue you guys keep missing, is the fact that you are only looking at old raids from EQ. You fail to understand that the raid content around the time WoW released was about the same as WoWs content.

You can't judge EQs raid difficulty from just Classic - Velious. Of course WoWs content was harder, it was newer.

[Renk]

This thread probably belonged in off-topic(then RnF), so I'm not sure if many people are reading it anymore since it turned into a bit of a flame war, but here goes:

Originally Posted by rubinoff [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

leveling in WOW doesn't mean anything other than to prepare you for the real game which starts at max level.

While many people feel this way(which is a completely legitimate way to feel), and it is probably more prevalent in recent expansions than in the original release, I've always felt much different. After burning out on the 51-60 grind of early EQ, followed by years of raiding and AA grinding, the leveling experience in WoW was such a breath of fresh air. The gameplay and quest structure was so much more dynamic, well designed, and just plain fun. Albeit a lot was soloable(/easymode) there were still elite quests and dungeons for those seeking group challenges. And I really loved the design and atmosphere of the original zones, like a previous poster had mentioned. Many classes played and felt very different, so it was a blast leveling up alts. I purposely put off getting 60 and raiding MC for awhile in order to enjoy everything the lower level game offered because it totally blew me away compared to EQ in the accessibility/fun department (though it obviously lacked some of the challenge and social aspects that make EQ and P99 so nostalgic).

Early in the thread some people were asking about WoW equivalents of P99. I play on The Rebirth that aims to be a (mostly) legit vanilla-WoW platform with 1x rates (many other emus have drastically increased rates and are more focused on the high end, leaving lower level stuff more broken). While my WoW-emu experience is pretty limited, it seems this one best captures old WoW in the way P1999 captures old EQ, and I kinda view them as sister projects even though they are not related. It isn't quite as polished as P1999, but it's quite good overall. Between P1999 and The Rebirth, I'm in old-school MMO heaven. Someone earlier mentioned a progression Emerald Dream server or such, which might also be quite compelling.

Not really trying to turn this into an advertisement, but just so I leave some basic info, an old thread in off-topic layed it out, although it is an old post and perhaps a little over-hyped. The population these days is more in the 50-150 range, while the other severs with boosted exp and more raid focus get more action it sounds.
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...hlight=vanilla

[choklo]

Is it true that some veteran EQ players(or programmers) had a role in the making of WoW?