Lord Nagafen & Lady Vox status (post 52 restriction)

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Mcbard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's how every MMO I've ever played works actually.. more time invested and a higher level of preparation leads to more rewards. Isn't that pretty much the entire point of playing an MMO? I mean, that is what a level based system encourages right.. it's not like they get any easier or take any less time the higher you get.. and a lot of people want to get max level (yes you can do this while having fun) not run around roleplaying that you're a bear or some retarded shit.

So ya, I think hardcore mmo players typically do put a lot of time into the game they're playing, not sure what other game you've been playing but that's how it works and thems the breaks.

you can put in all the time you want, but when it's excessive and was originally put in place to prevent behaviors that are taking place anyway it then serves no purpose and furthermore is actually going against the main objective of the server. you know?

if you played WoW you might remember the old 72hr limit on some raid zones ( i think it was 72 hrs?) where you couldn't raid a zone until that limit ran down. You were allowed to still play the game and do whatever else you wanted, but thems the timelimit for that particular zone. People didn't sit in front the port-in until that limit wore off, they actually played the game. what's happening now isn't necessary, and it's actually driving away competition because it's so unnecessary. should i really have to spend 4 days in a zone waiting for something to spawn that should have a window only a quarter of the size of the current window? all this to deter people from sitting on its spawn when they do it anyway? how the hell are we not on the same page here?

you can still put in more time and get more shit, like waking up at 3am to down (insert awesome name here) or spend all day in crypt or efreeti's lair. my point is that you SHOULD be doing that instead of waiting around for 4 days and poopsocking because of some old decrepit shitbag of a rule that never worked anyway. as it stands, people who actually PLAY the game are at a disadvantage.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I am not judging or angry at someone because they invest more time and get more loot. That is how it works plan and simple. I am also not flaming anyone for camping shit or 'poopsocking' shit to get the mobs. It always has been those willing to put the time in get the loot. What I got angry about is that patronizing bullshit us little casual raiders are such nice little boys and girls keeping the community alive or that we don't deserve shit because we aren't willing to 'compete". That and the fact you actually think what you have going is 'fair competition'. This crap is exactly why instances came to be and no, I was not for instancing on live. I thought it ruined the community.

And Mcbard and Skope both nailed it. I say when is enough enough. Where is the line in going from a top raid guild of skilled players mobilizing quickly and beating others in competition for raid mobs to something else? When does it become 'win at any costs while screaming competition? When does it cease to be enjoying the game and ruining others' enjoyment? When does simply wanting loots and gearing up your toons become greed for the sake of greed. Next server reboot go back to fixed spawn times. Make them choose what raid target they want, like you had to on live. Don't spread it out so the same people get everything because it is all spread out for them. Or if you really want to compete? Anything goes on raid targets except for ninjalooting. Whatever guild gets the kill gets the mob. That would add some strategy to Trakanon, no? No sitting afk or poopsocking, you would need to be active and aware to be ready for trains or whatever else comes your way. Everyone would have a shot at the mob and poopsocking would go away. So many variables as far as strategy goes and the ONLY petition you would have to worry about is ninjalooting. If guild X gets the kill only guild X can loot it. No worrying about anything else. And once the raid target dies back to normal. Trains cease and all that jazz. The guilds that are mature and can work together could behave like adults and the ones who are on their ofp could be destroyed by those same guilds when they enter the area. You think poopsocking makes people want to sit down and come up with a rotation? Imagine a fear raid where you're allowed to train the other guild. It wouldn't be long before they would get tired of constantly being trained in an AOW attempt or Venril sathir camp or spend 28 hours doing cr in fear before they decided to sit down and figure something out like adults.

[Harrison]

ITT: Terrible guilds and their players defend sitting on spawnpoints as a "tactic" rather than the pathetic bullshit that it really is.

[Mcbard]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i disagree, but you're in TR so you'll produce some bullshit defense mechanism to justify your unhealthy play time

Lol no.. if you disagree you disagree. I don't feel that I need to defend my style of play, no more then you or anyone else needs to defend theirs. We all play the game we want to, and if we're not we change something about it or we stop. I was simply stating facts; mmo's reward "better loot" and "harder mobs" to those who put in more time anda higher level of preperation. They work on a tier system, where those at higher teirs and levels have access to better in game things. That's just sort of how it works. So naturally those willing to spend more time preparing for something and investing time in it are generally the ones who are rewarded by it.

[arsenalpow]

If you thought shaere's rant was bad, I can't wait to see what he says about Taken clearing all the fire giants then having TR leapfrog and engage simultaneously on Naggy.

I believe Taken got the kill but TR claimed first to engage, it's all still being hashed out I believe...

Also, what's the policy on having 52+ people actually participating in the Nagafen fight and not getting banished? I watched Slydexx and Oblexis chain nuke and never get banished.

[Loke]

Incoming - post from Shaere about Naggy tonight. Calling it.

Edit: bah, was too slow. Well played Arsenalpow~

[Ring]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you thought shaere's rant was bad, I can't wait to see what he says about Taken clearing all the fire giants then having TR leapfrog and engage simultaneously on Naggy.

I believe Taken got the kill but TR claimed first to engage, it's all still being hashed out I believe...

Also, what's the policy on having 52+ people actually participating in the Nagafen fight and not getting banished? I watched Slydexx and Oblexis chain nuke and never get banished.

That's hilarious. So Taken abuses a bug in the banish system to get the kill on Naggy with level 60s chain nuking? Oh Shaere, your rants... they just won't have the same moral authority (not that they did considering I just imagined you using MEQ2 / SEQ everytime you said anything).

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I'll post since Loke seems to want it. You won't get a rant as of now but we had two count them two TR members behind us as we cleared the last few fire giants. Tixel and Archaex or something? When we moved up to engage Nagafen with our 29 players I believe it was 3 or 4 TR members come running up in en effort to snipe him I remember looking around seeing Archaex on the stairs, Quez something running up, Mcjagger down at the 4 spawn, a high elf magician in apothic running through 4 spawn, Uaelleun came running up to the fight as Nagafen was being fought. They had no more then a few players in the area and were running people up through soldungb in an effort to gather their forces. Now there wasn't trains or flames or anything but I can say they had no more then 3 or 4 people there and running people up as fast as they could as we moved up to engage. And I believe the whole aggro Naggy and try holding him as you ran your raid up thing has been covered but have heard nothing that indicated to me anyone in TR was flipping out about anything. we did run fraps and assign people to Tixel and Archaex, turned trading off and ignored them to prevent spam or trades and such, and assigned people to watch and handle possible trains but I didn't see anything otherthen the typical asshattery at the end.

If it in fact there is an argument I haven't been made aware of, the TR people made only a few comments after it. One was odd after I linked the loot in guildchat where Quez said if we handed over the bag they wouldn't check FTE and it was odd because I remember thinking he said that as I linked it in guildchat. Then Uaellean asked if anyone needed a res, and Nedala? offered ports at the end and that was pretty much it.

On 52 plus getting banished I had actually prepared for that by having the 52 plus bind nearby. I asked them to rush in, nuke tash or whatever get banished and gate back and rinse repeat. I, on Shaere, pulled naggys lair, and when naggy hit me with an ae I didn't get banished. I posted it in the petition forum but as we all talked about it I didn't know if it worked like the death touches not happening until you had LOS, or the assist aggro perhaps not working the same for banishment as normal aggro but regardless I petitioned. I wasn't about to halt the raid to allow TR to gather people in solb and gank Naggy. And I had 24 people 52 and below there so it wasn't like we led a lvl 60 raid to nagafen with the purpose of exploiting anything. I logged off Shaere for the 51 mage and that was it. Your remarks that we took level 60s up there abusing a bug in the banish system is idiotic and typical. The first time we rush an alt raid to Nagafen and we get the kill we MUST be cheating right? This more of the 'competition' that you speak of? If you must know we decided to head to fear and help BDA/divinity out rather then make our play on nagafen first. But TR engages CT just before we zone in so we were unable to help. Could just be a coincidence and timing that they got CT in the nick of time and it just worked out that way. Then we started figuring out what alts we had available and mains 52 and lower online. Heck I logged on my 51 mage for the fight and wasn't on Shaere, who is more dps then any 51 mage. But someone else gets something you want and now it has to be hax? And it must be me using hacks also right? If you want to find meq2/seq use, look at your mates but don't look at me. I'm simply better then you and the rest, always have been. I have yet to run into my match as far as being a monk, or perhaps more specifically a puller. I'm told Sochin was the real deal, and Loke seems to be top notch but for the sake of ego I have encountered none better.

You are damn straight I took lvl 60s up there to help clear fg, buff, and handle the trains I was waiting for. We did have members lvl 52 plus there to support and yes they were supposed to try landing a spell, get banished and run back. For the record I saw several TR members there also 52 plus not being banished.

Who are you arsenalpow or ring? Loke is Loke, I am shaere who are you? Some rogue named Muhammet? I saw a few TR members up there with us, but other guilds weren't represented and I find it odd you refer to both Taken and TR as if you were in neither.

[Ring]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it in fact there is an argument which I haven't been made aware of, the TR people made only a few comments after it. One was odd after I linked the loot in guildchat where Quez said if we handed over the bag they wouldn't check FTE and it was odd because I remember thinking he said that as I linked it in guildchat. Then Uaellean asked if anyone needed a res, Nedala? offered ports at the end and that was pretty much it.

Clarify this part please. Are you saying Quez is a GM? Was he Xzerion's alt snooping your guildchat or was he Xzerion's alt looking at the DB and knowing what Naggy had beforehand?

[Swarws]

Lol, btw that was me on Quez and it was a joke.. one of your members link it in say or something and it was the only decent item that dropped.. We are pretty sure we got FTE but if not it was just fun leeroying from zone in to try and get the kill.. we had enough in zone to kill it ourselfs when we tagged it so not like we weren't ready for him or anything.


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