shaman duo

[Duik]

What pairs well with a shaman? Hmm based on a quick scroll down the list of stat buffs, slows and heals I'm going out on a wild limb and guessing a melee would work ok.

On a serious note, would a mage with a woobs (pet) up count as a melee?
Say str sta dex (for splitpaw stun whips) etc add to dps like it does for a player char? Mage pet haste buff is better than shaman haste I think? Slow and heals. Root and chain casting. Many ways to do it.

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On a serious note, would a mage with a woobs (pet) up count as a melee?
Say str sta dex (for splitpaw stun whips) etc add to dps like it does for a player char? Mage pet haste buff is better than shaman haste I think? Slow and heals. Root and chain casting. Many ways to do it.

Yeah Mage would work fine with a Shaman. The Shaman solves the Mage's lack of CC, and the Shaman can slow tank the mob so the Mage can use a backstabbing pet. The only downside is the Mage's Damage Shield spells aren't quite as useful due to the mob being slowed, but it isn't the end of the world.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On a serious note, would a mage with a woobs (pet) up count as a melee?
Say str sta dex (for splitpaw stun whips) etc add to dps like it does for a player char? Mage pet haste buff is better than shaman haste I think? Slow and heals. Root and chain casting. Many ways to do it.

For 59 out of 60 levels (or a shaman on a budget) healing mana is limited. Stuns are a great way to mitigate incoming dps from a NPC outside slow. The air pet and stun whips especially with a malosini'd mob is a stunlock dream and far more tanky than an earth (unless comparing say the 49 air to the 57 earth). As for stat-buffing I would skip that completely, just slow the npc and let the mage keep their pet hasted with Burnout and DS. Even slowed a 30dmg DS is about 8dps on a npc that doubles. I used to use sham pots when farming chardok.

The spread between a good and bad pet is pretty severe and any pet 39+ regens at 30hp/sec. With a solid root & slow before the pet jumps in it's barely going to need a rest between pulls. Especially with regrowth on it. Plus keeping most your mana can come in handy for burndowns. Chain summoning without C2 is going to slowly take a toll on that ability. The sham can make more mana, IMHO, let them heal the pet and keep those stun whips equipped on a good one.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for stat-buffing I would skip that completely, just slow the npc and let the mage keep their pet hasted with Burnout and DS.

Disagree. The difference between a pet with shaman str alone vs same pet without shaman str is quite large. Pets benefit hugely from pumping up str. It doesn't raise their max hit but it raises their average hit by a good margin.

Sham + mage combo is actually quite strong. Mage pets will take less damage than a lot of melee classes out there.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Disagree. The difference between a pet with shaman str alone vs same pet without shaman str is quite large. Pets benefit hugely from pumping up str. It doesn't raise their max hit but it raises their average hit by a good margin.

Sham + mage combo is actually quite strong. Mage pets will take less damage than a lot of melee classes out there.

Do have any parsed information? Not trying to pull an evidence-request but just have always understood normal stat buffs do very little for npc dps. Hence why cripple in general is meh outside bored shamans during HoT raids.

I might carry a Frost Giant beard though with my mage and give it a whirl.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do have any parsed information? Not trying to pull an evidence-request but just have always understood normal stat buffs do very little for npc dps. Hence why cripple in general is meh outside bored shamans during HoT raids.

I might carry a Frost Giant beard though with my mage and give it a whirl.

Yes and no.

Yes: I have parsed long series of fights with and without str, str/focus stack and just plain old mage buffs on same pet same content. The difference was obvious and proportionally large to the degree of the buff. It won’t make them hit for higher dmg like players but it skews the average hit up fairly stoutly improving dps by widely parseable margins over time.

No: I have no idea which fights those were and where to dig them up. Also no, the difference was so big that I don’t care to repeat them hehe. Take or leave my experience without provision of hard proof. It makes a big difference. I always ask for str (and attack buff str of nature) whenever they are available from whatever source is highest.

Also pro tip: npcs benefit more from ac buffs than players. They have no hard/softcaps. If your pet is tanking, it’s worth grabbing them as they are available.

[Zuranthium]

LOL, you have no clue. There many loot/faction farm spots where summoning MOBs are prevalent. Kael is a common one and JBB is also doing 0 DPS there.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL, you have no clue. There many loot/faction farm spots where summoning MOBs are prevalent. Kael is a common one and JBB is also doing 0 DPS there.

Which mobs are the Shaman/X duo going to be fighting that summon in Kael? Especially before level 60? 4 way mobs don't summon, you can root rot them. Are you suggesting a duo is going to try Kael Arena?

Please name the "many spots" that you are talking about.

[Snaggles]

I can bum a str buff and kill Shady a few times to see if I can glean anything. Not gonna put anyone on blast, just interested

[Troxx]

Str buffs are most important on level appropriate content where your pet level is closer to and below the level. On green content/farm content the pet so out-classes what you’re killing you won’t see the same degree of jump.

“Level appropriate” here can even be defined as xp giving green cons in KC with a 60 max summon water pet. The differences in a zone like KC are most pronounced when fighting Warlords/Bodyguards/pit trash. In higher level areas like Kael arena, SG, Seb, and DN the benefits are more universally obvious.

Cheers and happy hunting.

(Ps: shamans can actually test this out easily over time especially at 60 because they can self buff their 55 pet)