Nutritional Science

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have the impression from government advice that morbidity comes chiefly from overconsumption.

So the people trying to exercise, eat and "get big" are no better than the fatties in terms of human health.

Hope this helps.

Yeah, agreed.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have the impression from government advice that morbidity comes chiefly from overconsumption.

So the people trying to exercise, eat and "get big" are no better than the fatties in terms of human health.

Hope this helps.

Not that I’ve heard of

The way “getting big” becomes unhealthy is when the body gets so large either through fat OR muscle that the heart has to over-work to supply blood over such a large surface area

When you look at how our bodies are designed to operate, we are built to gorge ourselves then spend periods of high caloric expenditure while seeking food sources again, either by hunting or gathering. There is nothing unhealthy about big meals or large amounts of movement

Edit: I have tried working out as hard as I do on a calorie deficit. What happens is there is a certain point where I become suddenly exhausted and RAVENOUSLY hungry. Like craving food, especially sweet/high-glucose food, like a heroin addict craves heroin. I’m assuming this is a blood sugar issue due to not having enough calories stored to convert for the energy requirement. So I cannot do the kind of workouts I do unless in a calorie surplus

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not that I’ve heard of

The way “getting big” becomes unhealthy is when the body gets so large either through fat OR muscle that the heart has to over-work to supply blood over such a large surface area

When you look at how our bodies are designed to operate, we are built to gorge ourselves then spend periods of high caloric expenditure while seeking food sources again, either by hunting or gathering. There is nothing unhealthy about big meals or large amounts of movement

Edit: I have tried working out as hard as I do on a calorie deficit. What happens is there is a certain point where I become suddenly exhausted and RAVENOUSLY hungry. Like craving food, especially sweet/high-glucose food, like a heroin addict craves heroin. I’m assuming this is a blood sugar issue due to not having enough calories stored to convert for the energy requirement. So I cannot do the kind of workouts I do unless in a calorie surplus

Your liver has to filter all of that so growing skeletal muscle(by overeating) is no different than growing adipose tissue(by overeating) in terms of workload for that poor fellow.

Multiply that by years and tell me where you'll end up.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your liver has to filter all of that so growing skeletal muscle(by overeating) is no different than growing adipose tissue(by overeating) in terms of workload for that poor fellow.

Multiply that by years and tell me where you'll end up.

I’ve been doing it for 7-8ish years but not enough to kill my liver, need to up my game sounds like

[starkind]

I'm all for meat. Grass fed, free range, dry aged, butchered tho. Not the crap that comes wrapped in plastic that lived in a box on soy grown in a field of glycophosohate.

[starkind]

I was able to sustain a severe calorie deficit with lots of 700 calorie cardio days per week for a few months. And it didn't feel really bad. I had a lot of energy and mental clarity. I was fasting 2 to 3 days a week.

I was on medication tho that elevated my heartrate and I became numb to food. Zero appetite. I could have sustained it a bit longer, I had a major suicide attempt though. Which caused a lot of damage.

I should have added at least 500 calories to my diet based on how much I was working out.

So I want to say it's possible. It's dangerous.

It's also dangerous to work out hard enough to expend an additional 1k calories per day. That's combat levels of metabolic stress and damage. It will shorten your outside lifespan range. Your skeleton will take a beating. Like consuming and burning 6k calories a day is absolutely insane.


If u are into life extension, extreme caloric restriction is the way ppl go.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was able to sustain a severe calorie deficit with lots of 700 calorie cardio days for a few months. And it didn't feel really bad. I had a lot of energy and mental clarity. I was fasting 2 to 3 days a week.

I was on medication tho that elevated my heartrate and I became numb to food. Zero appetite. I could have sustained it a bit longer, I had a major suicide attempt though. Which caused a lot of damage. Like consuming and burning 6k calories a day is absolutely insane.

I should have added at least 500 calories to my diet based on how much I was working out.

So I want to say it's possible. It's dangerous.

It's also dangerous to work out hard enough to expend an additional 1k calories per day. That's combat levels of metabolic stress and damage. It will shorten your outside lifespan range. Your skeleton will take a beating.

If u are into life extension, extreme caloric restriction is the way ppl go.

Yea I’m a freak, I don’t recommend anyone who isn’t an elite-level athlete work out like me. I’m also on a slew of supplements, including some at times that are not FDA approved for human consumption (research chemicals) to assist with recovery

That being said, if someone with very little recent workout experience tries to jump into my workouts, their body will break down and it will produce large amounts of the stress hormone cortisol which will actually greatly hinder their progress. I’ve been working out so hard so long that my body has adapted to them, our bodies are highly adaptive

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea I’m a freak, I don’t recommend anyone who isn’t an elite-level athlete work out like me. I’m also on a slew of supplements, including some at times that are not FDA approved for human consumption (research chemicals) to assist with recovery

That being said, if someone with very little recent workout experience tries to jump into my workouts, their body will break down and it will produce large amounts of the stress hormone cortisol which will actually greatly hinder their progress. I’ve been working out so hard so long that my body has adapted to them, our bodies are highly adaptive

Drugs and yeah, it's called rhabdo.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Drugs and yeah, it's called rhabdo.

It’s funny in the elite-level athlete community, giving yourself rhabdo is sometimes considered a badge of honor, despite it being a terrible life-threatening condition

Even I don’t train at that level. To give yourself rhabdo, you have to do so much damage to the muscles that they begin to literally dissolve, which causes them to dissolve into your bloodstream. The liver doesn’t know how to break down dissolved muscles, and so they cause huge amounts of damage to the liver

I’ve overtrained before, and when you are constantly working out and paying attention to your body, you are more able to “feel” things like high cortisol and overtraining. For me, when I’m pushing overtraining, I start to ache all over, joints, muscles, everything. Even stuff that isn’t sore aches. And I lose grip strength. When the cortisol sets in bad, I can’t sleep. I dance on that line of overtraining, but even overtraining isn’t rhabdo. I would have to push past even that, which to me is just insane because it’s so obvious my body is telling me that I’m overtraining. In addition to potentially killing you, it also doesn’t make sense from a progress perspective because at that point all that insane work isn’t even making progress but destroying it

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s funny in the elite-level athlete community, giving yourself rhabdo is sometimes considered a badge of honor, despite it being a terrible life-threatening condition

Even I don’t train at that level. To give yourself rhabdo, you have to do so much damage to the muscles that they begin to literally dissolve, which causes them to dissolve into your bloodstream. The liver doesn’t know how to break down dissolved muscles, and so they cause huge amounts of damage to the liver

I’ve overtrained before, and when you are constantly working out and paying attention to your body, you are more able to “feel” things like high cortisol and overtraining. For me, when I’m pushing overtraining, I start to ache all over, joints, muscles, everything. Even stuff that isn’t sore aches. And I lose grip strength. When the cortisol sets in bad, I can’t sleep. I dance on that line of overtraining, but even overtraining isn’t rhabdo. I would have to push past even that, which to me is just insane because it’s so obvious my body is telling me that I’m overtraining. In addition to potentially killing you, it also doesn’t make sense from a progress perspective because at that point all that insane work isn’t even making progress but destroying it

A normie person would get it easily from what you say you do. Your organs may be acclimated for now but the years will toll.

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