Two-Boxing

[Daldaen]

Still awaiting my approval to 4 box a 60 Shaman, Druid, Cleric and Enchanter who can't leave EC and are permarooted in tunnel so that I may buff noobs.

[snow_man]

For those complaining about boxing... and talking about the only way to level a melee is by hand outs, imagine if everyone could box, and how much less handouts would be. If you can't picture it, or want to speculate how it would go, let me save you the trouble. I came here from Shards of Dalaya (sorry don't mean to advertise for another game, but this really isn't advertisment anyway.) It's another emulated server that was started by Wiz (you'll see his name all over the eqemu forums). He no longer runs that server, as he is working on a legit-to-market type game now. Anyway, away from my tangeant and to the point. I left that server for 2 reasons, corrupt GM's (and for those that bitch that GM's aren't fair here, you guys have no idea how bad it can get...) and because of boxing. Every top tier player has one of EVERY class, as well as multiple of other's. Generally bots in most cities so they can buff. There are never hand outs because the endless supply of gear is funneled to their alt, any upgraded hand me down gear from that alt goes to one of their other alts.

This may not sound so bad, ok so no hand me down gear. Now imagine having 2 of everyone of the super campers camped around the nice spawns of the server. Imagine not ever seeing Fungi or whatever item your after, because the same group of guys have been hogging the same spawn for the past month trying to get that prize item for their 12+ alts. Imagine TMO (I only use them because they are the ones that are quick to snipe kills) camping out ALL planes, becuase each of their members needs to gear every alt they have, because when you can run 2 characters, you never know which two will be needed for the next big kill, so you have to go through each plane multiple times. Great, so now you can box and you can have a shaman that can heal your warrior up to level 50. What do you do when you get to 50 since everyone that was normally LFG now has a nice boxed combo taking up Karnor's, Seb, HS, and just about every other zone. This doesn't come from an, "I think this will happen" point of view. This comes from an, "I've been on a server where this DOES happen, because it was allowed" point of view.

On a side note, as much as I am NOT in favor of boxing 90% of the time, I think server numbers generate larger server numbers. I think there should be some type of coding that basically says, if numbers are less than other servers, X ammount of boxes (the difference between this server and the server with the highest number) are allowed on. As non-boxes log on, the first box set logged on, has a character logged off at random. I know people would complain that, what if im in the middle of a fight, I might die? That would just be a risk people would have to take if they wanted to box. It would basically a fake hyper inflation of numbers, and helps the dead hours of the server to maintain numbers.

I realize this would be a nightmare to code, just a random dream/thought of mine =) (Before I get trolled for this, I know horrible idea, but hey random idea's can sometimes get spurred into better idea's =p)

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by Honest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it pretty much boils down to this. Easy fix for those who want to box.

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is not a second version of P99, or any other server, that is Classic and also permits boxing. If you want Classic you have to come here. But you can't box here. People play here, obviously, because they want Classic EQ. I have never heard anyone say "Yeah let's go to Project 1999 so we can finally get level 95 and play Veil of Alaris content!". However, there is no boxing-friendly Classic EQ alternative. So anyone who wants Classic is stuck making the decision of which they want more, Classic EQ or the ability to box. Just like anyone that wants modern/closer to modern EQ has to make the polar opposite decision of what they want more, modern EQ or a server that prohibits boxing, since there is no modern EQ server that also prohibits boxing.

This is still true. When the time comes that there is a Classic server that permits boxing, your argument will hold water. Until then this is basically what you're saying:

Guy 1: Wish I could have some chocolate.
You: Here have a Twizzlers. It's a strawberry candy and not chocolate, but it has sugar. i'm going to assume that's the only reason you want chocolate is the sugar and not the distinct flavor of chocolate.

Guy 1: Wish I could box on P99.
You: Here, go over to PEQ. It's modern EQ and not Classic, but it allows boxing. I'm going to assume that is the only reason you're on P99 is to box and not the distinct feeling of Classic Everquest.

That being said though, it's been made very apparent a million times over that the devs here will not even consider permitting boxing in the slightest. Therefore people should just drop it, follow the rules or leave.

[Dannermax]

Thumps up for an informative post snowman..i believe aswell that Two boxing will unfortunately kill some of the group dynamics in the game..it's human nature to choose to solo rather than group if its the easiest alternative!!

[Kevlar]

Funny I've been handed more gear and buffs on EQMac, a server where everyone boxes in a week than I was handed on P1999 in over a year. And I'm not talking shiny brass shield either. This is dragon loot.

Regularly people run by with buff bots in tow and stop to throw buffs at me from all 3 toons with me never saying a word to them. Its a far cry from the stone faced level 60s in ECT on p1999 who rarley even acknowledge the buff beggars exist.

[Scavrefamn]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny I've been handed more gear and buffs on EQMac, a server where everyone boxes in a week than I was handed on P1999 in over a year. And I'm not talking shiny brass shield either. This is dragon loot.Regularly people run by with buff bots in tow and stop to throw buffs at me from all 3 toons with me never saying a word to them. Its a far cry from the stone faced level 60s in ECT on p1999 who rarley even acknowledge the buff beggars exist.

If you want cleric buffs, find a cleric to group with.
If you want enchanter buffs, find an enchanter to group with.

Buff bots, free loot, those are all horrible things.

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by Scavrefamn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want cleric buffs, find a cleric to group with.
If you want enchanter buffs, find an enchanter to group with.

Buff bots, free loot, those are all horrible things.

Yes, and sitting LFG for two or three hours is a wonderful way to spend an evening.

[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, and sitting LFG for two or three hours is a wonderful way to spend an evening.

Instead of sitting LFG, why not form a group?

It's cool that you're having fun on EQMac, but I doubt there will ever be boxing here.

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by Hitchens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Instead of sitting LFG, why not form a group?

It's cool that you're having fun on EQMac, but I doubt there will ever be boxing here.

Instead of giving advice when you play three solo classes, why don't you start an untwinked melee and try leveling up to 20? I don't have a problem with the server rules here, I just never understood that one, especially when people boxing get perma-bans but known exploiters/cheaters just get wrist slapped.

[Hitchens]

Well sure, it's easier to give away loot when you can farm it all by yourself. It's also easier to buff everyone who asks for it when you have C3.