Probably time for a Kyle Rittenhouse thread.

[Duik]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically the catholic church banned anything science related, because as more people figured things out, it undermined their authority.

So if you were a practitioner of any science that did not affirm the divine right of the church, you were labeled a heretic, then in western cultures it was witches.

Fuck the catholic church for forcing 500 years of dark ages upon the world, if it werent for those creepy pedos in their pointy hats desperately clinging to their pyramid scheme revenue streams for 5-6 centuries, humanity would have already conquered the solar system and beyond, cured all disease, and actually have a real shot at a cohesive utopia.

I know it's off topic, but this here is the best post I've seen. Can't fault or dispute any of it. Except for the Utopia bit, we'd (as a collective whole) have still found a way to fuck things. But at least we'd be fucking things on a galactic scale.

Unless you're a bible thumper, then it's codswallop.

[Duik]

Also, is it true the real reason Kyle took a gun was cause his mom wouldnt let him have a skateboard?

[unsunghero]

Sorry late to this convo, had a lot of stressful RL stuff going on

Some points:

- The brain in males is not fully developed until around the age of 24-25. This includes the frontal lobe, which is responsible for complex behavioral performance. it is also responsible for thinking/planning ahead, such as exploring possible outcomes of our decisions both in the short term and the long term. This is why teenagers are very "in the moment" and seem to not care about the consequences of their actions. Their brain is actually not built to fully explore and comprehend those consequences. Teenage males also have hormone imbalances, which is why some can develop permanent gyno as a teen due to random spikes in their testosterone level. These hormone imbalances cause teenage males to engage in more risk taking behavior

All of this is why we will never have 17 year old boys being cops. All of this accounts for why a 17 year old boy thought it was a good idea to get a gun and NO LESS LETHAL means to go protect other people's property and possible render medical aid. He wasn't thinking ahead about how this might result in people dying at his hands, because his brain wasn't developed enough to be clearly thinking about those outcomes

He wanted to grab a gun and a first aid kit and go be a hero. It was a mistake, plain and simple


Other points:

- Going for someone's gun can be a legal reason to shoot them. Even aggressively coming at someone can be reason to defend oneself with a gun, depending on the threat and the situation. Anyone here who thinks that an unarmed person is not a serious threat, I welcome to simulate a situation with me where I put my hands on you with the intent to kill and see how you fare. I'm 6'0 ~200lbs with a decent amount of martial arts and mma knowledge. One or two hard blows to the head after I get you down, with your head prone against concrete, and the trauma I can do to your brain could easily end your life, and I don't need a gun or knife to do it

We can also play "what if" scenarios all day considering typical mob behavior. If these guys were not physically imposing individually but there were multiple of them all behaving aggressively, I think it is perfectly reasonable to assume that I could be knocked out by a sucker punch or a thrown object like a skateboard, then when I am knocked out some noodle-armed antifa soyboys kicks or stomps my defenseless head a few times. That could mean death. If people would like, I can post a video of the guy trying to defend his store with a crossbow during the George Floyd riots. He eventually gets knocked out, then a few people run up and stomp on his head as he's on the ground. He begins doing the "death snore" which is the noise you make when your brain is shutting down due to severe trauma and internal damage but your brainstem is still attempting to tell your lungs to breathe, resulting in a loud snoring sound. Usually that's the last noise they'll make

Also, one of the people he shot was quoted earlier in the night by a witness as saying "if I see you alone, I'll fucking kill you" to kyle and others near him


So it's been said by others already, but in my opinion Kyle made a GRAVE mistake trying to be a hero, but I personally do not see much fault in his attempt to defend himself. If it were my son, there would still be hell to pay

[Gustoo]

We have 18 year old boys be cops bro

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Under any circumstance, an attempt to forcibly disarm a person is considered a clear and present danger to anyone in posession of a firearm. The only reason one would attempt to disarm an individual by force is to reduce their combat posture to such a degree that your own use of any force will not be hindered.

Correct Assumption: If you are gonna pull the gun from my hands, you intend to use it, or your own force against me.

so go out and test your theory by reaching to grab a holstered firearm from someone open carrying, then go ahead and try to assume control of a cop's holstered firearm.

check back and let me know how that works out.

If some dude is wielding a firearm, the police don't try to close the distance and take control of the gun with their own hands, they shoot until the subject is down.

Any thoughts to the contrary come from a place of ignorance with regard to firearm law, training, and experience.

So you point your gun at me, I try to wrassle you, you shoot me dead and it's completely legal?

That's an interesting theory of law for sure. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Knowledge]

LET'S GO BRANDON!

[Homesteaded]

Originally Posted by Whale biologist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you point your gun at me, I try to wrassle you, you shoot me dead and it's completely legal?

That's an interesting theory of law for sure. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You forgot the part where the deceased man chased him
down and didn’t back down when Rittenhouse aimed the gun at him to deter him.


Carry on

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have 18 year old boys be cops bro

Hmm I have never in my lifetime seen an 18 year old cop

list of places that you can be a cop at 18:
Rhode Island[1]

Wisconsin[2]

Louisiana[3]

Montana[4]

Arkansas[4]

Georgia

Ah, that's why, in my state it's 21. I wouldn't trust an 18 year old cop to be effective at dealing with high risk of escalation situations. But that's just me, I see the worst of the worst teenagers in my job

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Whale biologist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you point your gun at me, I try to wrassle you, you shoot me dead and it's completely legal?

That's an interesting theory of law for sure. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you weren't making a threat even pointing his gun at you is considered assault. You would be completely justified in trying to wrestle the gun away if you thought you were about to be shot

People don't realize it's literally an assault charge to point you gun at someone. I didn't realize until I saw an episode of cops where some dude hung his gun out the window at this chick who cut him off in her car. He got pulled over later, told the cop he had no intention to fire and was sorry. Nope, assault charge. Lost that gun now

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Whale biologist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you point your gun at me, I try to wrassle you, you shoot me dead and it's completely legal?

That's an interesting theory of law for sure. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

damn man, do you even read the shit you type?

another half baked thought from whale

this is a pretty hollow ass scenario, more details are required. any situation you find yourself in has 10,000 details. Where are we? Why is my gun pointed at you? Why do you need to wrassle me? What am i trying to stop you from doing? What are you trying to stop me from doing? Why can't you retreat to defuse the situation? Why can't I do the same thing? Are there other threats present? on and on and on.

I wouldn't train my weapon on an unarmed person in 99.9% of situations, you're gonna have to fuck up ROYALLY for me to even reveal that I am carrying. This is a last resort option.

After all the training in the world, you don't know how you will react to the situation until you have been placed into it. Ask anyone who served in combat.

I'll humor you tho. If We are in X situation, where there are definite combative forces (violent protest), and I (for some reason) have drawn my weapon as a response to what I interpret as a threat to my person or others, and you run up to me and attempt to disarm me by hand, there might be a chance that I fire the weapon in defense of my person or others.

Ideally, I'd just pistol whip your commie bitch ass (communist pedo guy, who grabbed rittenhouse's barrel) to the ground, and we all live to fight another day.