Bin Laden's dead

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Ivy League is a sham, you're paying for the selectiveness and prestige that is tagged on your degree upon graduation... Which makes it kind of funny since many of the top 20 schools in academia are not Ivy League schools. It's just kinda odd that you talk-up these schools with such conviction but somehow become completely oblivious to the $27 billion endowments that Harvard obtains to continue it's selective process or the "1450/1600" that it is requiring.

[Turtles]

Originally Posted by Abacab "The REAL truth" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ivy League is a sham, you're paying for the selectiveness and prestige that is tagged on your degree upon graduation... Which makes it kind of funny since many of the top 20 schools in academia are not Ivy League schools. It's just kinda odd that you talk-up these schools with such conviction but somehow become completely oblivious to the $27 billion endowments that Harvard obtains to continue it's selective process or the "1450/1600" that it is requiring.

You're going to have to be a little more detailed in your argument. What's your point? That Ivy League degrees are mostly about the prestige? Yes -- that is correct. Which leads to greater starting salary and long-term income. In addition to the fact that the Ivy League schools provide the best undergraduate educations in the United States. Education also leads to greater starting salaries and long-term income. So it's two-fold.

And distinguishing between the top schools in the country and Ivy League schools is meaningless. They're all the same. Ivy League is shorthand. All 8 of the Ivy League schools are currently rated in the top 15 by US News. The other 8 (two schools are tied @ #15), in descending order, are: Stanford, Caltech, MIT, Duke, University of Chicago, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, and Washington University in St. Louis.

The selectivity, cost, and prestige of attending any of those schools is comparable to that of the Ivy Leagues, with some of the non-Ivies surpassing certain Ivies in all of the above: selectivity, cost, and prestige. It's not like you're paying a premium for Ivy League. You're paying a premium for the best of the best, whether or not it is Ivy League.

If you want to talk about the best public option, it's Berkeley. Which is also extremely expensive for non-California residents.

[Cyrano]

What is "racial status"?

[Turtles]

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is "racial status"?

Michael Jackson took that one to the grave.

[Spud]

I dunno, most of the kids who seemed smart in my highschool did well on the SATs, and the kids who seemed like morons did poorly. I dont see what parental income had to do with it since my highscool was public. I feel like i have average intelligence and i did average on it. I took an SAT class and studied a bit and raised my score by 60 points, still got a pretty average score.

As for the Ivy league thing, the smartest person I know went to Harvard. Are we arguing that in general people who go to Ivy league AREN'T smarter than those who don't? Then i'm siding with Mr. Turtles here.

just my anecdotal 2 cents

[JayDee]

Was at the top of my class every semester

[Turtles]

Originally Posted by Spud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dunno, most of the kids who seemed smart in my highschool did well on the SATs, and the kids who seemed like morons did poorly. I dont see what parental income had to do with it since my highscool was public. I feel like i have average intelligence and i did average on it. I took an SAT class and studied a bit and raised my score by 60 points, still got a pretty average score.

As for the Ivy league thing, the smartest person I know went to Harvard. Are we arguing that in general people who go to Ivy league AREN'T smarter than those who don't? Then i'm siding with Mr. Turtles here.

just my anecdotal 2 cents

That's really all I'm saying. And I wasn't even saying that, to begin. Someone claimed that all celebratory emotion directed at Osama's death is based on being uneducated. My point was only that I'm both educated and happy that he's dead. That's it. At some point in the thread, it apparently became necessary to be educated to have a legitimate opinion on the subject. So I was providing my qualification.

At that point, someone felt the need to tell me that attending an Ivy League college has, and I quote, "nothing to do with intelligence" -- which, of course, is false. Cue anger.

[sero]

Originally Posted by Spud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont see what parental income had to do with it

The correlation between parental income and SAT score is much more formidable than that between IQ test score and SAT score.

http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/sat.shtml#income

[Turtles]

Originally Posted by sero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The correlation between parental income and SAT score is much more formidable than that between IQ test score and SAT score.

http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/sat.shtml#income

It's actually not. The correlation between SAT score and the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery is 0.86. The correlation between SAT score and Raven's Advanced Progressive Matrices is 0.72. The correlation between SAT score and Mill Hill Vocabulary Scales is 0.68 for combined SAT score, 0.71 for Verbal SAT score.

In the link you posted, the correlation between parental income and SAT score is projected between 0.25 and 0.40.

[Japan]

Originally Posted by Spud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dunno, most of the kids who seemed smart in my highschool did well on the SATs, and the kids who seemed like morons did poorly. I dont see what parental income had to do with it since my highscool was public. I feel like i have average intelligence and i did average on it. I took an SAT class and studied a bit and raised my score by 60 points, still got a pretty average score.

As for the Ivy league thing, the smartest person I know went to Harvard. Are we arguing that in general people who go to Ivy league AREN'T smarter than those who don't? Then i'm siding with Mr. Turtles here.

just my anecdotal 2 cents

it's so cute when people don't realize they're white noise