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Originally Posted by Hellfox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The events happened as follows, from my perspective:

1. Fear opens up, co-op hosted by Phatez, resounding success... server celebrates.

2. Fear clears from then on are very boring, very predictable, and offer an opportunity for any group to have a chance at FTE'ing some pulls.

3. Seal Team and especially Kingdom were so tryhard about their pulls they added 8-10 pet classes camping individual spawns no matter their proximity to other raid forces on top of their 20+ roaming pull teams... and then proceeded to petition every FTE they "thought" they secured from 5 meters away from 18 other people... petition the GM's to check an impossible number of FTEs

4. The GM's were obviously frustrated with that situation and decided to drop a nuke on the zone. Not just a "hey, this isn't cool, get the fuck out nuke". A without warning "no, you're all going to die nuke".

5. That created a situation that benefited ST and K and hurt the rest of the community. Immediately upon GM's wiping everyone in Fear Seal Team was killing Nag with a half naked raid force, Kingdom was killing Vox with a half naked raid force.

6. While they were doing that... the "lesser guilds" started joining the p99 public discord, game together as a community effort, and proceeded to attempt the break in half naked and begin a co-operative CR.

7. As we were in the middle of our break in attempt, and having established a few people to log on the West to start rezzing up to a full break... when we had 30 people out of 50 still alive and starting to gain a beach head... Seal Team decided to enter the portal and bard kite everything in a 250m radius straight by the West wall since their raid force was running in East to ninja log on the East wall. You killed 30 people mid fight in a community CR, either ignorant or uncaring of the rest of the server.

You left out the step where the GMs messaged Seal Team and said "zone out, earthquake in 30sec".

[Smellybuttface]

Aha, okay I understand now. Thanks for clarifying. With that many people I’d assume someone would have some screenshots or OBS or something of it? Did they admit to it and try to help res at least?

[Hellfox]

8. Seal Team refuses to help anyone recover corpses. Everyone abandons the p99 public discord, there's no point trying to CR until you're done with your fun. Seal Team and Kingdom proceed with the clear and compete for the raid targets... some Kingdom kindly drag community CR related corpses and the dead from the "lesser" guilds as they work their portion of the clear. Seal Team does nothing of the sort. They leave Venerate to fend for themselves in this case.

9. The next day a Lineage monk trains a single pull onto a bunch of AFK Seal Team who had tried to leave up a blockade of entrance mobs, thinking that small guilds might be prevented from participating in the clear if they can't perform a break in. When we use the same tactic you did to break in, and do it successfully... but one of our monks later drags a SINGLE pull to your afk raid force that thought it could be afk b/c you run the show... you say that you're hosting the community clear again all the sudden... but that Lineage should have to "sit out" for "x" amount of time as "punishment"

[Smellybuttface]

Originally Posted by Hellfox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but one of our monks later drags a SINGLE pull to your afk raid force that thought it could be afk b/c you run the show... you say that you're hosting the community clear again all the sudden... but that Lineage should have to "sit out" for "x" amount of time as "punishment"

Strange that Seal Team would try and exact "punishment" as if they were a GM. They don't own the zone, and can't rightfully delineate who gets to participate and who doesn't. Just simply by "hosting" doesn't mean they're the de-facto leaders of a combined guild raid force, but rather just organizers. Did the Monk is question train on them purposefully or by mistake? My understanding was the "UN of Guilds" were equal members, and unless every guild that was part of it concurred with the "punishment," it couldn't rightly be meted out.

Seems like a case of "might makes right." However, there are of course two sides to every story (absent any compelling evidence - screenshots or Obs). I'll assume GM's were petitioned.

[Hellfox]

10. We say fuck that and continue as a unit... then last cycle Venerate members team up with us like they have for a few of the cycles Seal Team wouldn't let them join but they didn't have the numbers to do their own thing. Numerous instances in which Lineage has hosted Venerate members and let them roll as equals... well last cycle 5-6 of them had joined 18 of Lineage... we were getting good pulls, happened to loot a webshield that a Venerate won the roll for (yay!)... then suddenly 3 mins after they roll for loot with us they extract from our groups on the orders of their Seal Team daddies... but they sure as shit dont hand back the tradeable item they just took under false pretenses... those pretenses being that: usually when you're in a zone raiding with a guild and one of your members gets a nice loot with them you don't drop 3 mins later and work with the (what should be friendly) competition when they ORDER you to

[Hellfox]

Not only did they not admit it, they never acknowledged it and Galach made excuses for them, saw it happened and said something like "their bard died"... yeah he gathered up 25 mobs and died... right on top of our CR... in order to get their team in... as if we didn't exists... and its server staff sanctioned, regardless if there's any truth to them having members in raiding guilds.

[Hellfox]

Which is a really strange bait and switch, because they also say we need to "come together as a community so they dont have to babysit" and I guess what they really mean is "have every guild join ST or K" even though it only takes a few groups to do 95% of available content... because if there's more than two guilds competing with our current rule-set (that we chose) its really tedious with the customer service requests...

Its a lame bait and switch b/c 3 factions did come together as a community when you visited adversity upon us... and then you said nothing when Seal Team stomped it like it wasn't even there. Meanwhile I bet server staff think its a positive thing to force niche guilds into disadvantageous UN agreements b/c it might stop some of the petitions from Kingdom whining they didn't get FTE on a mob 5 feet away from 30 people.

[Hellfox]

No, he didn't do it intentionally. The reason they're not telling their side of the story is because they have no ground to stand on. Look at how ignorant Vines of Kingdom has proven himself to be in this thread. Phatez is in this thread... notice he addressed someone's misconception about the CT encounter but hasn't said a word of response to anything I've said.

[BurtMacklinFBI]

[Mon Feb 10 18:51:42 2020] Twinkletin is an officer of Lineage.

HMMMM

[Hellfox]

Well put it this way, I didn't petition a single FTE in Fear, even when I knew they had stolen it... because they have more people anyway and I don't want to bother the GM's... when they did their bard-train-break in on the community CR and killed 30 people to get THEIR people inside... I did petition... Galach's response was telling me that "their bard died" as if to convey "he died, he didnt mean to, its not like he intentionally trained them"... I guess "repeated and intentional" is going to be the swan song of this server...