Velious99UI - Green Server UI - Feedback/Bugs/Discussion

[Throatseeker]

Originally Posted by El-Hefe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't these people who can't read the UI just... set their resolution lower?

Where are all these sensitive ass blind people coming from anyway?

HOW DO I REACH DEEZ KIIIIIDDSSS!

[loramin]

Originally Posted by El-Hefe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't these people who can't read the UI just... set their resolution lower?

Where are all these sensitive ass blind people coming from anyway?

Just so we're clear, we're not talking about blind people, we're talking about people who can still see, but just not as well as the rest of us.

And 100% they can set different colors. What I'm saying is, if we can get a UI that looks almost exactly like classic, but let's the people I just mentioned not have to change their color just to be able to read, AND let's everyone who has good vision and wants to keep the default colors be able to do so more easily ... is that really worse?

[deezy]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just so we're clear, we're not talking about blind people, we're talking about people who can still see, but just not as well as the rest of us.

And 100% they can set different colors. What I'm saying is, if we can get a UI that looks almost exactly like classic, but let's the people I just mentioned not have to change their color just to be able to read, AND let's everyone who has good vision and wants to keep the default colors be able to do so more easily ... is that really better than making EVERYONE change away because the default colors are so hard to read?

if you'd like to submit a revision i'll be happy to take a look at it.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And 100% they can set different colors. What I'm saying is, if we can get a UI that looks almost exactly like classic, but let's the people I just mentioned not have to change their color just to be able to read, AND let's everyone who has good vision and wants to keep the default colors be able to do so more easily ... is that really worse?

If you change the default to a solid background then anyone who wants the translucent effect has to go in and change each window manually. If you do it the way it's presently done then anyone who wants a solid window background has to change them manually. Either way someone's going to have a tedious time switching stuff around. The current client does not have an option (at least not one I'm aware of) where a user can simply toggle the entire thing between translucent and solid with a single keystroke.

Danth

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you change the default to a solid background then anyone who wants the translucent effect has to go in and change each window manually. If you do it the way it's presently done then anyone who wants a solid window background has to change them manually. Either way someone's going to have a tedious time switching stuff around. The current client does not have an option (at least not one I'm aware of) where a user can simply toggle the entire thing between translucent and solid with a single keystroke.

Danth

At the risk of sounding like a moron, because I'm used to web tech not EQ UI ... can we not keep the current translucent effect but change the colors?

[Danth]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the risk of sounding like a moron, because I'm used to web tech not EQ UI ... can we not keep the current translucent effect but change the colors?

You could but it'd globally change the background colors of the entire UI, which means it wouldn't look exactly classic anymore. This is not necessarily a crippling issue since some other windows have been changed at administrator request (ie, Rogean asked) to slightly non-classic for readability purposes. I suspect I know what you want--you'd like it, basically, to be darker. I agree in fact that it can be hard to read in its default state. During testing I scoured the web for proof that the 2001-era evidence that the Trilogy client windows were darker than on this one only to determine that in all probability the windows match code-side and the "brighter-seeming" windows are a relic of modern technology: LCD screens simply don't do dark as well as CRT's could. The goal of the UI alterations was to make stuff more classic when possible hence the default transparency was not touched, being classic in its current state.

In the meantime, community education of the customize options provided with Titanium are useful: As of two weeks ago I had no idea the windows could be so heavily customized, and I hated this UI as much as anyone could. I had never used those options before so I simply weren't aware of their existence. Having learned, I can make the UI more to my liking and I have no great problem with it now. Font sizes in the inventory screen are to be set a bit larger with the next build.

Danth

[Jibartik]

I don't even know what's broken at this point.

What colors are we talking about here? This game has translucent, black.. as in like, the absence of color, windows right?

Am I some kind of colorblind where the empty night sky for you guys is like, a color? Because for me its the same absence of color that the translucent window is?

Is it that the window itself is translucent that is creating a muted "color" that is making it hard to see?

Is this not helping? This is all customizable:

larger caps font
custom font colors
nontransparent (color is dealers choice) windows

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I would like to add that if your eyesight is poor, decreasing the resolution of your monitor can help.

I have played on my living room television set, but to do that I had to reduce my games resolution by quite a bit. Which is a good solution if you are having vision problems with the game.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't even know what's broken at this point.

What colors are we talking about here? This game has translucent, black.. as in like, the absence of color, windows right?

Am I some kind of colorblind where the empty night sky for you guys is like, a color? Because for me its the same absence of color that the translucent window is?

Is it that the window itself is translucent that is creating a muted "color" that is making it hard to see?

Is this not helping? This is all customizable:

larger caps font
custom font colors
nontransparent (color is dealers choice) windows

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I mistakenly thought that everyone was complaining because of a color choice. I mean, they were in a way, but really the "translucent that is creating a muted "color"" was the issue for them I think, and as I noted that's not something you can fix by just picking more WCAG-friendly colors (you just have to turn the translucence off, and that translucence definitely should be on by default to be classic).

But since I made a fuss I'm going to go check the merchant window colors to see if any of them fail the test, and if so I'll try to suggest better ones.

EDIT: Merchant colors are also white on black, literally the highest contrast possible. Even just visually I'm almost certain that the blue in the headers contrasts enough, but I'll find its code and check it to be sure.

Also I guess people might be complaining about the non-white text colors too, and I'll double-check all them, but again just visually I'm 99% sure the colors contrast great, and the whole issue is the transparency.

I guess on the plus side after I do this if anyone complains you can say "Our UI is WCAG-compliant ... if you just disable the 100% classic opacity, which we're not removing by default because classic, and only takes two seconds to do yourself."

[Jibartik]

np I just want to get to the bottom of the issue, I think we would all agree that we should not exclude those of us with poor eyesight, and over time we can make/find a solution that gets us everything we need to play classic everquest until we are both feet in the grave.

Hopefully those custom tips can help resolve it for some folks for now.

[Xer0]

Green server UI/Feedback?

The current UI is junk.

The fact that this:

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is as close as one can get to having the actual appearance of the classic UI, should be rationale enough for the no-custom-UI policy to NOT exist. There are 3rd party alternatives that are much nearer to the original classic, perhaps just include those in the patches and enable them by default, rather than the this awful iteration you've given us.