p99 has the worst raid scene of any game i have ever played and im quitting over it

[Pyrrhica]

Originally Posted by Oleris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guild summit should be broadcasted on twitch.

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by Daloon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Riot wasnt on board with having loot not be deleted by GMs, so blame them.

Riot didn’t even exist when Detoxx made his post. Try again, Danny boy.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by seananetsberger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He wasnt a tracker,
he had logged out there a few days back doing druid things on the plateau.
quake hit, he remembered he had his druid in ej. logged in w/ sev on his face, FTE'd and died.

like stated before, no one said anything including him. He didnt know it meant anything. probly felt stupid for dying so fast.

And that’s it in a nut shell.

There was no intent to log in and pull with a tracker. The early FTE resulted in immediate and unexpected death and didn’t impair any other guild attempt. Yes it was a technical violation of the rules but there was no ill intent. A technical violation but one that did not violate the “spirit” of the rule and the spirit of fair play. Furthermore the guild at large was unaware. Did this scenario warrant punishment? Depends how you look at it but I will readily admit it deserved some sort of action. What bothers me the most is that this was handled initially with voluntary concession of 2 spawns and an apology for an error we made without knowing initially it was made. This was handled on the player/guild/alliance level and was agreed upon and accepted. One sub-member of the alliance later tried to directly extort our guild.

Taking everything into consideration:

-false FTE by someone camped out in the zone resulted in both unintentional aggro and immediate unintentional death
-this someone was not a dedicated tracker for this mob
-it happened within a moment of a quake, dude was trying to mobilize to a raid not pull
-mob happily ate his face then proceeded to stroll around the zone for nearly 90 seconds before a real FTE pull.
-no other guild was ready in force by the time real FTE occurred
-mob deaded, guild still unaware of foul.
-when I grievances were voiced and the situation was clarified we voluntarily offered apologies and voluntarily offered concession to our ally alliance.
-Aegis as a whole seemed to understand and be satisfied on this player made agreement
-ALS tries to do the whole extortion thing, doesn’t end well
-GM rules player agreement reached initially isn’t sufficient and deleted loot

If our lone Druid has been afk or otherwise offline, we’d have still gotten the kill. Nobody else had force present. If they had ... well they had close to a 90 second window to engage. They weren’t ready.

It’s a narrow reading of a very specific rule. That rule was broken, but unintentionally so and in a way that didn’t interfere with the efforts of any raid. The ruling was fair. My only complaint would be with how the initial agreement was tossed out the window because a small fraction of said alliance got grumpy.

I will say this though, I’m proud as fuck of our leadership in not caving to the extortion attempts of ALS. If we’d known of the foul we wouldn’t have engaged. Once we were aware we attempted to make it right consistent with established server behavior protocol which was accepted by the other alliance of guilds. When later threatened with a petition, they didn’t back down.

Pixels will come and go. I’m glad leadership demonstrated they have a spine.

[seananetsberger]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And that’s it in a nut shell.

There was no intent to log in and pull with a tracker. The early FTE resulted in immediate and unexpected death and didn’t impair any other guild attempt. Yes it was a technical violation of the rules but there was no ill intent. A technical violation but one that did not violate the “spirit” of the rule and the spirit of fair play. Furthermore the guild at large was unaware. Did this scenario warrant punishment? Depends how you look at it but I will readily admit it deserved some sort of action. What bothers me the most is that this was handled initially with voluntary concession of 2 spawns and an apology for an error we made without knowing initially it was made. This was handled on the player/guild/alliance level and was agreed upon and accepted. One sub-member of the alliance later tried to directly extort our guild.

Taking everything into consideration:

-false FTE by someone camped out in the zone resulted in both unintentional aggro and immediate unintentional death
-this someone was not a dedicated tracker for this mob
-it happened within a moment of a quake, dude was trying to mobilize to a raid not pull
-mob happily ate his face then proceeded to stroll around the zone for nearly 90 seconds before a real FTE pull.
-no other guild was ready in force by the time real FTE occurred
-mob deaded, guild still unaware of foul.
-when I grievances were voiced and the situation was clarified we voluntarily offered apologies and voluntarily offered concession to our ally alliance.
-Aegis as a whole seemed to understand and be satisfied on this player made agreement
-ALS tries to do the whole extortion thing, doesn’t end well
-GM rules player agreement reached initially isn’t sufficient and deleted loot

If our lone Druid has been afk or otherwise offline, we’d have still gotten the kill. Nobody else had force present. If they had ... well they had close to a 90 second window to engage. They weren’t ready.

It’s a narrow reading of a very specific rule. That rule was broken, but unintentionally so and in a way that didn’t interfere with the efforts of any raid. The ruling was fair. My only complaint would be with how the initial agreement was tossed out the window because a small fraction of said alliance got grumpy.

I will say this though, I’m proud as fuck of our leadership in not caving to the extortion attempts of ALS. If we’d known of the foul we wouldn’t have engaged. Once we were aware we attempted to make it right consistent with established server behavior protocol which was accepted by the other alliance of guilds. When later threatened with a petition, they didn’t back down.

Pixels will come and go. I’m glad leadership demonstrated they have a spine.

Thank you. This is all of it in a nutshell.

have spent hours and days on all of this. I think its time to let it go and move on for myself. GL to the rest of you RnF'ers!

If any questions are acted or statements made, just copy and paste this as a reply. TY troxx

[Bardp1999]

You hot tracker FTE...this is like the #1 raid rule on the server. All this BG lawyering is hillarious. Why was he logged at the spawn point at all is the bigger Q.

[bthomsen0312]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And that’s it in a nut shell.

There was no intent to log in and pull with a tracker. The early FTE resulted in immediate and unexpected death and didn’t impair any other guild attempt. Yes it was a technical violation of the rules but there was no ill intent. A technical violation but one that did not violate the “spirit” of the rule and the spirit of fair play. Furthermore the guild at large was unaware. Did this scenario warrant punishment? Depends how you look at it but I will readily admit it deserved some sort of action. What bothers me the most is that this was handled initially with voluntary concession of 2 spawns and an apology for an error we made without knowing initially it was made. This was handled on the player/guild/alliance level and was agreed upon and accepted. One sub-member of the alliance later tried to directly extort our guild.

Taking everything into consideration:

-false FTE by someone camped out in the zone resulted in both unintentional aggro and immediate unintentional death
-this someone was not a dedicated tracker for this mob
-it happened within a moment of a quake, dude was trying to mobilize to a raid not pull
-mob happily ate his face then proceeded to stroll around the zone for nearly 90 seconds before a real FTE pull.
-no other guild was ready in force by the time real FTE occurred
-mob deaded, guild still unaware of foul.
-when I grievances were voiced and the situation was clarified we voluntarily offered apologies and voluntarily offered concession to our ally alliance.
-Aegis as a whole seemed to understand and be satisfied on this player made agreement
-ALS tries to do the whole extortion thing, doesn’t end well
-GM rules player agreement reached initially isn’t sufficient and deleted loot

If our lone Druid has been afk or otherwise offline, we’d have still gotten the kill. Nobody else had force present. If they had ... well they had close to a 90 second window to engage. They weren’t ready.

It’s a narrow reading of a very specific rule. That rule was broken, but unintentionally so and in a way that didn’t interfere with the efforts of any raid. The ruling was fair. My only complaint would be with how the initial agreement was tossed out the window because a small fraction of said alliance got grumpy.

I will say this though, I’m proud as fuck of our leadership in not caving to the extortion attempts of ALS. If we’d known of the foul we wouldn’t have engaged. Once we were aware we attempted to make it right consistent with established server behavior protocol which was accepted by the other alliance of guilds. When later threatened with a petition, they didn’t back down.

Pixels will come and go. I’m glad leadership demonstrated they have a spine.

You can't bend the rules "because he didn't know". This opens a huge can of worms that can never be unopened

[pogs4ever]

I’m more impressed by ALS surveillance system. Please bring order to plane of hate

[auura]

womp motherfucking womp.

Couldn't have happened to a shittier guild. Lavitz, their GL, is a genuine, Real Life Retard who is borderline illiterate himself. No surprise that he would take 0 scales and 2x suspension instead of taking 1 scale. Also no surprise that this would happen to the people stupid enough to get suckered into that dumpster fire.

ALS probably doesnt do much posting, and Lavitz made about half the posts in this thread - consider that before you take his side.

[auura]

Also consider that this "OMg we didnt concede because we didnt know we broke the rules" line is bullshit. Even if he was confronted with the evidence after the fact, Lavitz had the opportunity to come to an agreement with Aegis which he refused to do. Suffer the consequences bitch.

[gkmarino]

Look at this scrawny gnoll trying to breath fire. So cute.