Zek (Teams/Guildwars) March 18th

[Skillslam]

4 online has become 5!

[Kergan]

If it is anything like the last server they will likely have some form of focus items in the game for casters, or possibly non classic spells available for purchase from a vendor.

Amazon lists the Titanium client release date at 1-10-2006, and if you use lucy to view the spell history for ice comet for example, you'll see the changes made leading up to that (unconfirmed) spell file date:

2005-04-12 13:05 Changed Casting Time from 6.3 seconds to 5.0 seconds
2005-04-12 13:05 Changed Mana cost from 400 to 203
2005-04-12 13:05 Changed Slot 1 from "Decrease Hitpoints by 1110 (L49) to 1120 (L50)" to "Decrease Hitpoints by 808"

So while it should do about 27% less damage than here, it'll cast roughly 20% faster and cost half the mana - before any focus item changes.

Also take conflagration as an example.

Here:
625 dmg for 250 mana, 5.5 casting time

There:
2005-05-09 19:12 Changed Wizard level from 44 to 43
2005-04-12 13:05 Changed Casting Time from 5.5 seconds to 5.0 seconds
2005-04-12 13:05 Changed Slot 1 from "Decrease Hitpoints by 606 (L44) to 622 (L48)" to "Decrease Hitpoints by 900"
250 mana cost

And Rend:

Here:
684 dmg, 280 mana, 6.3 casting time

There:
2005-05-11 14:37 Changed Slot 1 from "Decrease Hitpoints by 855 (L49) to 854 (L34)" to "Decrease Hitpoints by 855 (L47) to 854 (L34)"
2005-05-11 14:37 Changed Wizard level from 49 to 47

From what I remember from playing the progression servers, you basically have conflag, rend and ice comet all doing roughly the same damage but different elemental types. Ice comet isn't the only nuke you use, its situation depending on what resist you want to go after.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2005-04-12 13:05 Changed Casting Time from 6.3 seconds to 5.0 seconds
2005-04-12 13:05 Changed Mana cost from 400 to 203
2005-04-12 13:05 Changed Slot 1 from "Decrease Hitpoints by 1110 (L49) to 1120 (L50)" to "Decrease Hitpoints by 808"

Correction. This was outright debunked by Genadin's testing.

The damage is, in fact, not lower than Conflag on EQPVP. Its over 1k. Maybe not the 1120 of red99, but certainly nowhere near 808.

Like nowhere near it. They use the Titanium spell file, but they made sure to buff Ice Comet above Conflag where it should be.

[Genedin]

I tested a lvl 50 wiz last night. Both rend and conflag hit for low 600's and ice comet hit for 714 dmg.

The cast times were changed but mana cost remained the same aka Ice comet 400 mana still.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Genedin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I tested a lvl 50 wiz last night. Both rend and conflag hit for low 600's and ice comet hit for 714 dmg.

The cast times were changed but mana cost remained the same aka Ice comet 400 mana still.

Right. According to data Conflag is the only wizard spell worth casting in any given situation right now. 400 cost (double cost), less damage than Conflag, same casting time.

Its kind of strange without Ice Comet being the crown jewels of classic wizards and it being relegated to second fiddle.

[FaithlessKR]

Originally Posted by Genedin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I tested a lvl 50 wiz last night. Both rend and conflag hit for low 600's and ice comet hit for 714 dmg.

The cast times were changed but mana cost remained the same aka Ice comet 400 mana still.

My ice comet testing showed it hitting for max of about 800 I believe.

[vouss]

welcome

[Kergan]

Titanium client actually released 12-15-2005, not that it changes anything. Those were the closest things listed in the changelog on lucy before the release date.

Nothing was debunked, I merely stated what the values would be if they were using the spell files without modification from the original Titanium client, assuming lucy is accurate.

Clearly if the testing is accurate and things have been customized from the titanium client then ice comet is the only spell worth casting for damage, although more classes get access to resist cold than any other resist spell.

[Skillslam]

The fuck, my characters are gone. Server blew up?

[SamwiseRed]

cool just got back from vaca. will log in later when i update client.