Shaman race debate

[arsenalpow]

Skarry has a pretty dope troll shaman. Guise and firepot bound too. I'd still play an iksar if I was forced to play the most unfun raiding class in the game, being giant is weird. The sit animation is weird in first person.

[citizen1080]

I <3 my iksar shaman w/ Guise. I get to choose between sexy and sexier.

[DrKvothe]

Loramin:

I'm trying to follow your logic, but having trouble.

Fights don't normally last that long, so can we say a minute is a reasonable average length? If so we're talking about regen Shaman having 47 more mana a fight than a non-regen Shaman. That's about 1/5 of an ice strike, or about 120 direct damage. Maybe a bit more if you use a DoT instead.

I'm assuming the shaman in question has an epic. Any shaman with epic > any shaman without epic, regardless of race, starting stats, or other gear. If you're root-rotting with an epic, 47 more mana is about half a paralyzing earth, and each paralyzing earth is 2 epic clicks long. So 47 mana is ~1300 damage, not 120. Most mobs I was trying to exp off of in my upper 50s took at least 4 epic clicks. See my response below for more details, or check blkcamel's evil shaman guide.

Theaetatus:

You're missing the point. Even if, by some miracle, you're not getting hit by anything while you break this tough camp, you're still only getting enough mana for one more slow every 5-6 minutes.

However, it is much more likely you're getting bashed and eating several extra rounds of melee while trying to get off a root or slow, negating the regen bonus entirely and actually ending up with less hp than if you had been an ogre.

Since we're talking about breaking tough rooms, we're talking about a shaman with an epic. Otherwise your mana just isn't going to hold up. The way you break such a room is to send a dog in, PE everything while they kill your puppy, then cycle through with a new PE and epic clicky then tab to next mob and repeat. If mobs are high enough lvl that they tend to break PE early, can toss in a malaisement or malosi too.

[Nycon43]

What awesome velious camps are ogre shaman going to be soloing that won't be poopsocked for months?

[Catashe]

Originally Posted by Nycon43 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What awesome velious camps are ogre shaman going to be soloing that won't be poopsocked for months?

Nothing.. and add years to that =)

[phro]

Originally Posted by Nycon43 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What awesome velious camps are ogre shaman going to be soloing that won't be poopsocked for months?

Exactly.

As an ogre you trade double your free HPs recovered in perpetuity for a slight edge on content that .01% of shaman ever attempt.

If you're committed to invest a few hundred hours on a character leveling, raiding, farming torpor and you're sole purpose for the character is to solo crazy stuff then you're one of those obsessive types where the actual leveling is the least investment in time.

Ogre fanboys, please name one mob that was soloed by an Ogre shaman that hasn't also been soloed by a troll shaman at some point.

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by phro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly.

As an ogre you trade double your free HPs recovered in perpetuity for a slight edge on content that .01% of shaman ever attempt.

If you're committed to invest a few hundred hours on a character leveling, raiding, farming torpor and you're sole purpose for the character is to solo crazy stuff then you're one of those obsessive types where the actual leveling is the least investment in time.

Ogre fanboys, please name one mob that was soloed by an Ogre shaman that hasn't also been soloed by a troll shaman at some point.

Western wastes dragons are the Superbowl of shaman solo farming. When anyone brings up ogre being the master race this is usually what they reference. Didn't play a shaman on live till Pop so couldn't tell you if trolls/iksar solo these easily as well.

[Catashe]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Western wastes dragons are the Superbowl of shaman solo farming. When anyone brings up ogre being the master race this is usually what they reference. Didn't play a shaman on live till Pop so couldn't tell you if trolls/iksar solo these easily as well.

Yea and I sure Luclin was close to being out or out when they actually HAD a chance to do them because in Velious people killed them all the time... No one just soloing them for kicks

[theaetatus]

Originally Posted by phro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly.

As an ogre you trade double your free HPs recovered in perpetuity for a slight edge on any content where you get hit at all.

Fixed that one for you.

Ogre fanboys, please name one mob that was soloed by an Ogre shaman that hasn't also been soloed by a troll shaman at some point.

Literally no-one has ever claimed ogres can solo content that trolls etc cannot. It just makes soloing harder content slightly easier, just as extra regen makes easy content like buffing raids slightly easier.

[Synthlol]

Originally Posted by phro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

0.01% of shaman ever attempt.

Wow, one in every ten thousand shaman?

Or do you need to go back to grade school and relearn your numbers?