Class R

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by nicemace [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you say that like you think it requires some kind of skill or that its hard to do.

the reality is that your 'skill' is in your ability to recruit people so you have an available force "immediately" on pop or whatever and that majority of your guild is well geared through the benefit of you guys having a nice lead so doing stuff like this is trivial.

dont delude yourself into thinking youre executing some kind of crazy unheard of strats that no one else is doing.


im not ragging on what ya do though dude, you guys see success and thats all the matters.

I'm sorry but the idea that none of the class R guilds can mobilize a force with a batphone is just ridiculous.

The idea that TMO/IB dominate because of numbers is seriously laughable. Do you guys not see how many class R guilds have huge amounts of people during earthquakes even at odd hours? Almost all of the class R guilds have batphones and huge rosters too.

He's right though. No class R guilds right now could beat TMO/IB in an actual race to Trak and it has nothing to do with numbers - it is because they are very practiced and can execute very fast and clean. If you don't see that, you are being delusional and should probably stop believing everything your leadership tells you.

[nicemace]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry but the idea that none of the class R guilds can mobilize a force with a batphone is just ridiculous.

The idea that TMO/IB dominate because of numbers is seriously laughable. Do you guys not see how many class R guilds have huge amounts of people during earthquakes even at odd hours? Almost all of the class R guilds have batphones and huge rosters too.

He's right though. No class R guilds right now could beat TMO/IB in an actual race to Trak and it has nothing to do with numbers - it is because they are very practiced and can execute very fast and clean. If you don't see that, you are being delusional and should probably stop believing everything your leadership tells you.

thats not what i was saying. sure if you wanna call getting a force on at any time in a timely manner, skill.... well then go ahead, but ill let you in on a little secret. its not skill. its simply a bunch of people who are able to structure their lives to allow for them to do so, im not saying this is a bad thing, its just a fact that some people cant do that kind of shit anymore, there isnt anything difficult about it.

let me put it this way. if you had 2 teams with the exact same classes, the exact same numbers, the exact same levels and the exact same gear and the exact same coth setup... youre trying to say that TMO/IB would beat out the other guilds 9 times out of 10? thats laughable lol. the only difference is gear and their ability to mobilize. of course they are gonna win all the times because they have a straight up advantage. im not talking zerg numbers, im talking just straight up getting /enough/ numbers there to get started. again. if you wanna call this skill, then yeah sure ill give you that they can organise well, but any man and his dog can do it provided they have the time and the resources.

and ps im not part of a competing guild. but was part of DA back in the DA/IB days so im well versed in all the raiding bullshit.

[Lazie]

And there is a better use for that chanter than having it just dictate one mob.

[Cecily]

It's having the gear to do it. I don't mean VP stuff. I mean sky, JC, 1 group stuff.
It's having the people to do it. Raids operate on a 24/7 basis here and that's super hard to manage.
It's having the knowledge of how to do it. Strats that are basic raiding now were pioneered and perfected for P99's raiding environment and changed on the fly as mechanics and rules changed.
And finally, it's doing it. This has been what we now refer to as class R's biggest hang up.

So I guess raiding skill, if you wanna call it that, is preparation, understanding, and execution. Mainly due to experience, the raiding guilds are better at all of these things, but more casual guild have had alot of time to get the big one done, preparation, since the P99 timeline is so borked.

I do think it's a shame that not more guilds are willing to participate in class C, but FFA provides a unique opportunity for smaller guilds to show up the people who are apparently pros at this raid thing here and there. It makes me so happy every time Taken or BDA steals a mob from class C.

[nicemace]

my mistake then. i thought the majority of raiders were more than neanderthals lol. i mostly agree with what cecily said. what you guys do works, im not saying you shouldnt be able to do with it. but strutting around saying it like youre these exceptional players with mad skillz that no one else holds is utterly false. you guys succeed cause youre in the right environment to succeed in, anyone can do that.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by nicemace [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

my mistake then. i thought the majority of raiders were more than neanderthals lol. i mostly agree with what cecily said. what you guys do works, im not saying you shouldnt be able to do with it. but strutting around saying it like youre these exceptional players with mad skillz that no one else holds is utterly false. you guys succeed cause youre in the right environment to succeed in, anyone can do that.

Yes and no. I honestly think the raiding guilds have a higher percentage of extremely competent players. Do I honestly think that we're better than them b/c of what we do? Absolutely not. But I'll espouse that view every chance I can b/c it makes them mad. And making BDA and Taken leaders mad is a worthy cause since they hate us so much.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Class r wants vp merbs now.. Shouldn't it be class r wants to move to class c... wasn't that the incentive of making VP class c only?

Lets make a TMOClassR guild... problem solved.

[Juevento]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lets make a TMOClassR guild... problem solved.

Umm Asgard fills that role nicely.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Juevento [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Umm Asgard fills that role nicely.

Not even close. Goodbye rotation!

[Cecily]

I really would like to do what dolojarnuganimar was trying do in class R, but like not suck at it.