Petition to Rogean: Rename 'Raid Discussion' to 'Officer Rants and Flames''

[doyoueventrainbro]

What part of that do you not understand, Jackass?

[tradereq]

I think anyone that seriously believes that this raid scene can be saved or worked out in a mature and no-bullshitting manner should get themselves checked into a psych ward cus clearly you've lost any grip on reality.

there will always be lying, griefing, training, RMTing, rule-lawyering, bickering, shitting over the little people etc. if you wanna be on top you gotta be a dick just like in real life, so I think everyone should just shut the fuck up and either play the game or go out and get some sun.

[Socratic]

The desire for ever escalating penalties is getting crazy.

For months we've been giving up individual encounters because of individual players doing something stupid like training/logging in where they shouldn't (xygoz, trak, gore, vs), and the only guild suspensions for raid disputes have been because an entire guild breaks the rules (whole raid logging in past the zone in, whole raid ks'ing/ninja-looting).

When did an idiot training become enough to scream for a whole guild to be raid suspended?

It's been pretty straight forward that whatever you are going for when your idiot member screws you, you lose, and if you don't give it up fast enough, you lose the next one too. I don't see why that would change.

Also, someone remind Chest that Unbrella isn't a co-leader of anything.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

clearly all this bullshit yall are mulling over about AE and who was in zone, and camp disputes couldn't matter less.

the only thing that matters is TMO has a long history of training other people's raids..
this guy got caught training a raid force in blatant fashion
it is time to pay the iron price, which is punishment for the person, the guild, and guild leadership.
that is what everyone knows and expects.
where the fuck is the justice?

What history do we have of training guilds in our current form as a guild ? When we make mistakes what history do we have of being unreasonable in resolving them under the new raiding system ? Please point to an occasion where we fucked up and didn't immediately come to a decision that didn't benefit us as a guild.

That is the thing. It is fun to throw around claims that aren't true, but they don't meet the current reality of what happens with the current TMO when we fuck up. We are the first to back off and surrender mobs. We are the first to try to be reasonable and find an amiable resolution that is fair to the party that got wronged.

[Nuggie]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What history do we have of training guilds in our current form as a guild ? When we make mistakes what history do we have of being unreasonable in resolving them under the new raiding system ? Please point to an occasion where we fucked up and didn't immediately come to a decision that didn't benefit us as a guild.

That is the thing. It is fun to throw around claims that aren't true, but they don't meet the current reality of what happens with the current TMO when we fuck up. We are the first to back off and surrender mobs. We are the first to try to be reasonable and find an amiable resolution that is fair to the party that got wronged.

You know... a lot of this hatred is for the name right? Maybe a guild name change is in order. Fresh start? A name is more than just a name.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What history do we have of training guilds in our current form as a guild ?

Keep the tag, assume the history.